There’s actually no significant political trend or ideology in active shooters they run the gamut politically and ideologically and religiously.
But you’re right it was not a drag queen. 😃
how dare you try to implant a tracking device into my rectum i will have your bladder removed for this you hostile invader
since we’re making random accusations against you that have nothing to do with the comment you made
Thank you. I made my night! 😂😂
Bending reality to fit your cult views. Would love some sources or data to back that up. But you magats don’t give that.
I donno man. Maybe do a Google search, heck ask chatgpt if you’re super lazy.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
But here you go. Sources.
Since I’m not lazy I’ll just go ahead and tell you what the results of those sources are.
The extreme vast majority of mass shooters are white males are mentally ill, suicidal and are in a state of crisis days or hours before the shooting occurs.
Extremism plays a role in the shootings but not necessarily right wing extremism although in recent years there has been a small uptick in right wing extremist motivated shootings.
None of the sources good ones or bad ones link specifically magas to mass shootings although there have been Mass shooters that identified as such. There have also been plenty of mass shooters that identified as extremist left wing.
The LA times article goes into detail specifically about that.
I highly recommend you stop making assumptions about random people you comment to on the internet.
One day many many decades and centuries from now internet archaeologists are going to be looking at this exchange and you’re going to come off as extremely ignorant.
What’s more is that you don’t give a crap about the mass shooters you just want Mass shooters to fit your world view which is apparently that all magas are bad which exemplifies your ignorance.
First of all you gave me 2 examples of shooters and expect that to be significant. Second I didn’t say mass shooters were all Maga. Again bending reality to be the persecuted party. Maga is just focused on the wrong things. Exemplified by the fact that mass shootings are typically depressed white males. Why is it that 90%+ are male and 50%+ are white? Why can we immediately have a legislature to ban reading books to kids from drag queens or deport without due process. But yet when it comes to mental health or gun control we have nothing. BeCaUsE tHe CoNsTiTuTion. You know what kills the most kids in america? Not cancer, not cars, not accidents. Guns. This one was done with his moms gun. How was that not properly locked away. I’m not the ignorant one. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings Here’s an actual study.
Did you actually read anything I wrote?
I totally agree with everything you’re saying here.
My original comment was that there isn’t any common political thread between mass shooters.
And you’re the one calling me a maga when I’m not. I hate the state of my country right now our politics are ass backwards.
Read my comment. You’re talking about all time. Since maga movement there absolutely is political motivation. And if you’re not maga don’t defend them.
At no point did I defend maga. Even other people have told you this. You just asserted it randomly. You made an assumption out of the blue.
Evidence was presented to you that active shooters do not use politics as a primary motivator and the ones that have politics as a motivator aren’t exclusively motivated by maga rhetoric.
The primary motivator is mental illness.
But here you are screaming at windmills about gun control. Like it’s so simple all you have to do is make new laws provide adequate mental healthcare inact gun control nation wide and poof it’ll all go away as long as whatever political party you don’t like just shuts up.
Christ on a stick anything that opposes the bandwagon on lemmy and people like you crawl out of the woodwork. It’s freaking exhausting. Go crawl back under whatever rock you came out of!
Yeah its so hard only 36 other countries have done it. The evidence you provided was comparing 2 shooters. More evidence was provided that a majority of shooters in recent years(which is also a majority of shootings) are right wing. I showed you were wrong. This isn’t a bandwagon issue. Its common sense. Maga promotes violence. We’ve seen this on january 6th, the pardons issued, and with the illegal removal of undocumented immigrants. Maga also wants to “protect the kids” by attacking certain groups but their group is the biggest perpetrators of mass shootings. Which you refute against all evidence. If youre going to ignore evidence and continue to be this dense youre only going to continue this issue.
Studying recent mass shootings(which account for the majority of them) its only becoming more skewed towards right wing extremism
hey I’m confused by what you linked. you’re trying to say there’s a pattern, right? since the person you’re responding to was just saying “there’s no pattern”. but the data in this source really didn’t jump out at me as saying a particular demographic was responsible. (besides males…) like yeah they were 50% white but that’s the majority demographic so of course a wide distribution will have high pct white. I mean the age range was 11-70!!
I’m just confused at why you’re so mad at this person and calling them a maggot when you’re literally agreeing with each other. are you in crisis?
It’s a complicated and nuanced issue and not one we can easily solve by targeting specific groups. you’re right, the best thing to do is deal with the guns. I dont think ive seen anyone here disagree with that
So the data i posted initially was from 1966 to 2019. Using that data this person would be correct. However they state that 20% of mass shootings have occurred in the last 5 years. The link i posted afterwards is a more recent analysis of mass shootings in that 5 year span where we can clearly see more right wing white males are the perpetrators. The bigger issue and what i addressed is that regardless of what excuse maga have they still ignore it. Even if you ignore that theyre the biggest perpetrators of this in recent years, they still haven’t done anything about the issues for the last 50+ years. They ignore mental health, gun laws, etc. Instead they ban drag book readings and deport against court orders. Yet kids arent dying from drag book readings. I do not agree with this person and they are very much wrong. Its not really a complicated issue. Expanding access to mental healthcare and placing reasonable gun laws would slash this drastically. But current maga admin are actively cutting mental health access and refuse to touch guns. A study i would like to see is if in recent years maga are suffering from more mental health disorders. It would make their projections of TDS make a lot more sense.
I don’t think he actually read my comment because I addressed everything he said. He basically regurgitated the facts I provided in my comment like they were his own.
I think he just wants to hit certain talking points i don’t think hes actually reading any of the responses.
🤷
Hate to be so cliche, but got links? My duckduck searches def highlighted white males, but I couldnt find much about idealogy/politcal trends in our active shooters.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
Here are just two sources from a preliminary search.
You are correct the extreme vast majority like in the 94th percentile are white males that commit mass shootings.
I was able to find that a lot of them have links to extremism specifically right wing extremism but ultimately almost all of them again in the 90th percentile were suicidal in a state of crisis and had some sort of mental illness coupled with all of that.
The actual primary reason why they shootings happen is due to mental illness almost exclusively.
There’s definitely some correlation between right-wing extremism and even more specifically magas but not enough to exclusively blame the shootings on that.
Supplementary, I did find one or two not very good sources that indicate there have been an uptick of mass shootings specifically due to Donald Trump’s re-election. But like I said these were not good sources.
Thanks
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I didn’t have an issue personally. But I apologize for the inconvenience?
archive.is is your friend
He’s probably getting a pardon and an ice position
And ice cream with the cops
Young white men are being indoctrinated with 24/7 propaganda telling them they are the real victims
What/Where is this propaganda?
Its the lifeblood of the Conservative Propaganda Machine.
Social media, podcasts and media
I’m sorry, I try to keep my media intake low, but what is being said that makes these white men feel like victims? Or, portraying them as the victim?
USA is a nonstop racist shithole. You haven’t noticed? Probably part of the problem.
Your first reaction is to insult and write someone off? I think you sound like the problem. And an asshole.
You can’t classify all of America as a “racist shithole”, it is just too big. We kinda have most of the spectrum. There are many towns and cities that are very welcoming, but there is the opposite as well. And some states compared to others are very different in their tolerance levels. (Real quick, Texas is bigger than most countries, i.e. Japan, Germany, the UK., etc.)
But no, I live in a very diverse area, and in my area, at least, there are very few racist assholes. I traveled quite a bit around the states, for over 15 years, and I have seen many types of people. Many types of racist. But they are a very small minority. The shittiest minority groups are the loudest. That’s why they can be loudest, because they are the shittiest. It’s weird, but that’s how it works.
You know what other tiny group of the population is super loud? Like, you can’t stop hearing about them/from them? It’s the transsexuals. They are the loudest, most in your face… anyway.
Honestly, you sound like a little judgemental twat.
Are you really fully unaware of incels, the manosphere, and the alt-right pipeline? This shit is all over social media.
There’s a strong encouragement for men to fall into this “redpill” philosophy that casts everyone who doesn’t look like them, especially anyone who ends up on the less-privileged end of any measure of intersectional privilege, as an aggressor attempting to steal their place in society and “replace” them.
Have you heard anyone complaining about how you can’t make jokes anymore or can’t compliment women anymore? They’re echoing a hallucination of white male oppression by queer feminist socialists. In response they elected Trump and spend their days rumbling around in their massive coal-rolling pickup trucks that have never seen a speck of dirt or a heavier load than a few groceries or maybe a couch.
What’s the point of bringing this weird, condescending Reddit energy to what seems to be a genuine question?
Not everyone lives on the internet, not everyone knows what an incel is, or who Andrew Tate is or what a manosphere is. Why not just answer the question normally? Holy fucking moly.
In response they elected Trump
Young incel type white guys did? I thought most of them didn’t even bother to turn up. Look fuck the extremisation of the yutes through social media, it’s genuinely awful and will likely have long lasting effects but we can’t put the blame on them for all the ails in the world without recognizing that a lot of different segments of our population are fucking up right now and are in some small part contributing to more people being alienated from the left. You have to at least admit that it’s a little ironic to say that they’re imagining everything while also seemingly putting electing Trump solely on them. It’s ultimately counter productive in the long run.
It’s weird… cuz, even if there is a bias against white men, its still white men that rule the most of the world and have all the money, and run the major corporations. But white men feel like they’re getting replaced?
On the other hand, America has always been a mix, but always had a strong foundation of white men, and it does feel like that base might be changing. Something is changing
Edit: it’s flabbergasting that a reply like this gets down votes
People are becoming educated about the myth of racism and the privilege bestowed on pale skins by racism.
I don’t know how much privilege we can say was/is bestowed on white people. I think in history, white people weren’t having much bestowed on them, rather, they were usually the bestowers.
That sounds harsher than I wanted it to.
Troll
It’s only offensive because It is something I don’t fully grasp. not a troll.
Even if you were a troll, your questions are worth asking. All the reactionary downvoting and accusations are because you made them have to think about their position so they get defensive and echo their aggregated hate. I wonder if they also espouse the lack of empathy of the other party. Imagine the hypocrisy.
No “empathy” for fascism.
Check Adolescence https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/adolescence for a drama on the topic.
Warning: VERY dramatic.
You must be a victim.
No I don’t, you do.
🫂
I see you’ve never heard of Fox News.
What if one doesn’t watch fox news?
the word is ‘terrorist’
Um, actually, the tweet clearly says “Florida State University” not “Tesla Cybertruck” so no this wasn’t actually an act of terrorism, it was just a peaceful protest instead
you mean ‘troubled young man’ ? /sarc
They were saying he was an illegal all over MAGAtard social media. Until the facts came out. Then they started deleting in mass to cover up their lies.
The truth was busy putting it’s shoes on.
“En masse”.
Which is French for in mass.
Unfortunately, you’ve misunderstood the nuanced meaning that the phrase “en masse” has acquired in the English language:
Cambridge Dictionary: En Masse
However, you can take comfort in knowing that you are not alone in this misunderstanding:
No I understand what en masse means. I just don’t subscribe to your inflexible interpretation.
Language is a tool for communication. It’s for the masses, not something to be gate kept or preserved by the priests of lingual orthodoxy. If the words you use convey the intended meaning to the listener, then the wording is adequate.
If everyone’s use of language was as rigid as the people insisting we can only use the phrases as they existed when they were imported to an English court by a Norman conqueror a thousand years ago, then we’d all still be communicating by banging rocks together and grunting. The English language evolves every day. It’s alive.
Big “I just like saying Valentimes” energy
Ok.
Ok but the argument is that it might not “convey the intended meaning to the listener” because ‘in mass’ can mean multiple things in English, whereas in French ‘en masse’ specifically means ‘as a group’. It’s not a linguistic purity thing it’s literally just to prevent misinterpretation.
edit: You can’t say “English is an evolving language” and then ignore the evolution in the phrase being carried over in the first place. If there was no reason for it then we’d still just be using the English term or, “banging rocks together and grunting” as you put it.
Nobody here misinterpreted it except the purists who did it intentionally to troll, show off and talk down to people.
Le niceeeeee
Not gonna lie I thought your username was Copaganda at first.
No, I do not have dyslexia lol
I like that. I’m def going to use it.
Hmmm. Maybe if there were less guns around…
Careful… You’ll enrage the gun lovers who will tell you how important having a gun right now is while also not using the guns right now for the intended purpose of feeding the liberty tree. There is no difference between a coward and a coward with a gun.
Haha. That’s fair. I’m also not American, so gun control is slightly different where I am.
It’s not a good idea to not have guns these days
Yes, oligarchs would love if the working class were disarmed.
If some oligarchs actually had some muzzles pointed their way we’d have gun bans in a day
Once the guns get pointed their way there is open war and laws go out the window.
I was recently thinking it’s says a lot about a culture, where kids shoot up schools regularly, but immigrants getting a terrible treatment never seem to shoot up an ICE office or other government building.
I think both are part of the same culture to be honest, they are just in very different positions both pushed to an extreme situation (the kids shooting up schools and the government officials threating immigrants like crap). Personally I believe you get what you give and this is the result of a society that is getting what it has been giving (or not giving, really). Really sad situation where a lot of people get way less than they deserve (the parents of the killed kids, the children of the deported families etc)
People in US culture want to think this is a product of white christian men getting hurt and isolated to the point that the poor innocent souls wander into committing a school shooting.
The negative mental health is only part of the equation and isn’t even critical to it, what IS critical is teaching christian white men that they have the inherent right given who they are to commit violence and nobody else does.
This is why you see that “incongruity”.
I was looking for that image!
Can’t wait to hear them say “well he donated $5 to the democratic party 10 eyars ago”
They’re asking if he was on anti-depressants. Everyone else is a murderer, terrorist, what have you. When it’s one of theirs? Just a misguided kid on SSRIs.
Contrast with keying a car and being labeled a terrorist. By scratching a cybertruck, you become an enemy of the state—something a republican school shooter could never dream of.
They just aren’t bad enough
Tbf, it’s a common conspiracy theory that all of them (or at least a significant portion) are on SSRIs. I think it comes from a mix of
A. Some of them were iirc, but I’m not sure who. It’s also possible it just was used as an excuse by a parent, or kid who didn’t die in their shooting.
B. Simply just the fast part of the commercials that says “if you are experiencing suicidal or homicidal ideation while taking lexapro, talk to your doctor immediately…” and then people being people, that gets extrapolated into “the shooters are on SSRIs and this is why it happens.” People are searching for answers as to the underlying causes, on both sides of the “gun bad” and “gun good” debate, the same way some focus on “if we got rid of guns” those that know “well my gun doesn’t make me want to shoot up schools so it isn’t the guns” but have never taken SSRIs might be more apt to blame the thing they’re less familiar with, for instance.
C. Afaik, it hasn’t actually been studied very well and actually could play a role in at least some of the incidents, but we don’t “know.” First of all, I think HIPAA presents some challenges in studying this, as I think even prisoners have the right to medical privacy. And on top of that I wouldn’t be surprised to learn Big Pharma’s lobbyists are hard at work making sure this is not well studied to the best of their ability, it’s kinda just their MO to the degree I’d be surprised if they weren’t doing that. Our pharma lobby is just as bad as tobacco about that, if not worse.
Personally, I’d actually like to see this possible link or lack thereof studied in depth myself, if for no other reason than to quell the conspiracy theory, or if a link is found then maybe we can do something about that, I think only good can come from at least just studying it.
The few studies that I have seen actually suggest there may actually be a link, but I don’t know exactly how rigorous those were or if it’s enough to indicate causation rather than simply correlation, and it’s not specific to active shooters but simply “violent crime” (of which shootings are obviously one, but it could be “increased risk of simple assault, but not murder” without narrowing it down, who knows.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4570770/
With age and sex stratification, there was a significant association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions for males aged 15 to 24 y (HR = 1.40, 95% CI 1.13–1.73, p = 0.002) and females aged 15 to 24 y (HR = 1.75, 95% CI 1.08–2.84, p = 0.023). However, there were no significant associations in those aged 25 y or older.
Seems to suggest to me that at the ages these (typically male) shooters usually are, there actually may be a significant enough percentage to suggest a possible causation? I’d still like to see it studied further though, especially if it can be a study specifically regarding active shooter incidents, and also I’d like to know if “was taking them and stopped” plays a role over “is taking them currently” or vice versa. I think it’s at least worth a look, especially considering this study itself concludes:
The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.
Or they find a post where he said something nice about Bernie Sanders.
He once made a tweet that vaguely criticised a Conservative figure. wOkE aGeNdA KiLLs AgAIn
Prosecute the parents. They know they raised a shit kid. This is not an accident but a consequence.
He is 20yo. He s not a child. You don’t emprison people because their adult kid did some shit
You are saying nonsense
It was a parents unsecured weapon used in that shooting. So yes, they should be held responsible.
on the basis “serious negligence leading to death”, yes I agree with you. but not “because they re his parents”
Of course. But the point was that just because he is an adult, his parents are not excluded from being at fault. Their fault is the neglience, at least before the law.
That it takes f-ed up parents to rise a f-ed up kid is another matter.
Oh yeah i see now. Ha! who said two people can never agree on Internet, even when started with what seemed like opposite sides.
Some are faster, some are slower at growing up and fixing grown up at is 18 is a legal compromise. He might well have been still a kid.
Even a 10 year old knows murder is wrong.
I didn’t mean that as an excuse for murder. Maybe his parenting was shit or whatever.
His mom is a cop
And he killed with her gun. Twice as bad. Send her to prison for unvoluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary Manslaughter, but agreed. The bigots that raise these bigoted monsters must be held accountable. They should also be prosecuted for being domestic threats to the constitution. I’m being entirely serious.
This bigoted shooting is the end result of the entire lack of intolerance being stamped out the way it has to be.
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Is this where we say: “this wouldn’t have happened if Florida controlled guns like a blue state!” And then offer thoughts and prayers? Seems like how it goes with the shoe on the other foot.
I’m not aware of any blue state with an effective gun control system. And I’m not saying that to dunk on Dems but as a general observation of the US as a whole.
And aren’t “thoughts and prayers” a conservative thing to do? I’m a bit confused by your comment, it’s giving mixed messages.
yeah our gun control laws suck. even if you are on the side of control, if you look at what we do, how, and why, you will have to admit our gun regulations are dumb.
almost like the groups mentioned are scarecrows for their rhetoric 🤔
And the child of a cop.
This is a weird way for me to find out about another shooting
It wasn’t as bad as some (2 dead, 6 injured).
He originally started with a shotgun but it jammed without firing a shot. He grabbed a pistol from his vehicle and fired into the bystanders.
Police were on scene quickly (FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars) and shot and wounded the shooter.
Thoughts and prayers
Oh, what a fucked up world we live in that we see a school shooting as “not so bad, all things considered”…
It’s only “not so bad” in America.
‘No Way to Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
There is a really fucked up silver lining to this which is every nation not the USA can point to the USA whenever someone wants to loosen gun regulations. In a twisted way the US might be helping other nations by being such a “good” (bad) example.
Absolutely! I’m not in Germany but I hope they can use the US as an example of what not to do and absolutely destroy the AfD before it reaches critical mass.
Rest of the world also has a right-wing problem. It’s seeping into our culture and everyday life because they have found out how to sell fascism to the everyday, uneducated moron. Sadly, that’s half the world.
Politicians around the word: we need to ban guns and assault rifles.
US policy makers: we need to tell the good guys they need to
buycarry a gun.Also US policy makers: We refuse to do anything about the low wages, crushing debt, inaccessible health care (physical and mental), and other problems I can’t even think of right now.
Plenty of countries have lots of guns. Virtually none of them have any significant number of mass terror shootings, even the ones with otherwise high rates of gun violence.
America is built different.
The rethoric of the people in power seems different, but I don"t know enough of other countries with lots of guns.
Local law enforcement was having a training session very close by. That and the fact the shooter was the son of a Sherrif deputy are the reasons you could hear them blowing themselves over their fast response the whole time. Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
Not that the fucker was putting up all the red flags for fucking years while being heavily involved in local law enforcement and constantly around guns.
There is a reason DeSantis & the fascists in the Florida legislature are about to get rid of the red flag laws.
FSU is always crawling with plain clothes officers and unmarked cars
Wait what the fuck?
I’ve seen a full on homeless man, with dreadlocks and scruffy blanket (urban Ghillie suit) sitting outside of a Waffle House. The local clubs were letting out and there were gunshots in the parking lot.
Dude stood up and radioed in shots fired and pulled an AR from the bag he was sitting on.
Tons of unmarked cars around campus with lights mounted in the grill and illegally tinted windows.
It’s a heavy security presence that you wouldn’t notice unless you were around it a lot.
We really are a police state.
If that happened in my country it would be huge news and all anyone in the country would talk about for weeks.
It would appear that we have standardized school shootings here in the States.
This one wasn’t that bad. Remember that other one?
You going to catch The Game later?
This is America. Don’t catch you slippin’.
That pistol he grabbed from the vehicle…
…was his Mom’s old service pistol.
His Mom was a school resource officer and later deputized into the Leon County Sheriffs.
https://www.newsweek.com/fsu-shooter-leon-county-deputy-phoenix-jessica-ikner-2061301
In a news conference hours after the first reports of the active shooting were announced, Leon County Sheriff Walt McNeil identified the suspect.
“The shooter is 20-year-old Phoenix Ikner … and he is the son of a Leon County sheriff’s deputy,” McNeil said.
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According to Revell during the news conference, Jessica Ikner [the shooter’s mother] is a school resource officer in Leon County. The county sheriff’s office website lists her as a “middle schools deputy.”
Deputy Ikner was awarded law enforcement employee of the month in March 2024, the sheriff’s office posted on Facebook.
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[The Shooter] was “a long-standing member” of the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Youth Advisory Council, McNeil said during the news conference.
“He has been steep in the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Family,” McNeil said, adding that it is “not a surprise” that Ikner had access to weapons.
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(apologies for possibly paywalled link, try internet archive if its blocked for you)
Phoenix Ikner, a 20-year-old son of a sheriff’s deputy whom police accuse of using his mother’s gun, is in police custody after being identified as a suspect in a shooting on Florida State University’s campus Thursday, which killed two people and injured at least six others.
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Jessica Ikner, a beloved Raa Middle School student resource deputy, was the 2023 law enforcement officer of the year with the Leon County Sheriff’s Office.
She also practiced shooting with her stepson, Phoenix, at a firing range, but “not in an official capacity,” according to LCSO.
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Yeah so this guy was trained to shoot by his armed-with-a-firearm, middle school guard / county deputy mom, and he then took his mom’s service pistol to shoot up his own school/uni.
I can’t find more details on the shotgun, but it could also be the case that that is or was a service weapon as well… but that is barely informed speculation on my part, I just know that a lot of US cops also have a shotgun in their cruiser.
The headline is using ‘was’ as a weasel word.
They know it’ll be click bait because it will be read as:
“The weapon used is a weapon that is the service weapon of a deputy”, and not:
“At one point, in the past, the weapon used was a service weapon but isn’t any longer”.
Him using a service weapon implies that there was a lapse of security on his mother’s part. That’s why it’s being mentioned in the way that it is because, if it were true, it would be outrageous.
The fact that an adult Florida man was able to access privately owned firearms isn’t news. But making it seem scandalous by implying that he killed people with a weapon issued as the service weapon of an active duty cop gets clicks.
The shotgun story is based on first hand accounts that I’ve heard from the FSU students that I work with. I’m obviously just a random Internet person, so don’t believe it until you see other sources.
Definitely not my first time finding out this way, which is even weirder
