NOTE: This thread concerns the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement; not internal combustion engines.

  • 33550336@lemmy.world
    20·
    3 months ago

    Putting sugar in the gas tank does not work (unless in a movie). You can clog exhaust pipe or penetrate tire.

  • entwine413@lemm.ee
    21·
    3 months ago

    Put a BB in the valve stem cap. It’s non-destructive, but will still result in a flat tire. If you super glue the BB, they might end up with several flats before they realize.

    • Adiemus@lemm.ee
      4·
      3 months ago

      To me, ICE is a high-speed train. I mean, I could look it up, check what it means in US. But at this point, I am not interested enough.

    • weker01@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      3 months ago

      Well I understand. I’ve seen people say the same kind of shit talking about people’s internal combustion engine cars. There are fanatics in Fuckcars and environmental communities.

      There is nothing really in the screenshot saying it’s about the agency.

    • Hellfire103@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      37·
      3 months ago

      You’re as sane as I was in 2019. Looks like 196 has more gearheads than Americans.

      • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
        4·
        3 months ago

        Brake cleaner will eat away paint

        Walk by the car and spray it. It’s clear and will take 5-10 minutes before showing damage. Eventually, the message you draw will show up.

        A car with messed up paint would have a harder time getting approved to get fixed. If you mess up the engine, then it’s just getting fixed instantly with taxpayer money.

  • boboliosisjones@feddit.nu
    620·
    3 months ago

    What is there to gain from doing this? repairs and possible tows would be even worse if its from an environmental standpoint. Also driving old cars to death is better for the environment than transitioning to new vehicles just because. Reduce and reuse is true for cars too.

      • grue@lemmy.world
        23·
        3 months ago

        That’s a Hell of an understatement! What you meant to say was:

        It’s about keeping ICE from illegally renditioning immigrants to foreign gulags.

        I know you probably didn’t intend to carry water for the fascists, but I think it’s important to clearly state what’s actually happening so nobody has an excuse not to be aware of how tyrannical the situation is.

    • Hellfire103@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      45·
      3 months ago

      ICE is short for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement here, not internal combustion engine.

  • Omega_Man@lemmy.world
    131·
    3 months ago

    I find it interesting that these posts are dated 2019. I don’t remember this being an issue pre-covid.

    • zbyte64@awful.systems
      10·
      3 months ago

      I remember family separations was a big deal during his first term. And then there was that US citizen teen who was imprisoned by ICE in Texas…

    • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
      13·
      3 months ago

      Well I mean the department of homeland security was established like one minute after 9/11 happened and thats who is in charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, so they’ve been fucking around in the rights of US citizens and noncitizens since then

  • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
    7·
    3 months ago

    Doesn’t have to be a big hole in the sidewall, you can’t put a plug in it no matter the size so a needle can render a tire FUBAR

  • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    20·
    3 months ago

    I’m surprised I haven’t seen more calls to puncture the radiator. That would lead to the engine shutting off and being immobilized pretty quickly.

    • baldingpudenda@lemmy.world
      8·
      3 months ago

      Would puncturing the bottom radiator hose not really leak until the pump starts up? Like it would be a slight drip that could be overlooked/unnoticed and a full stream once on and running. Hopefully after driving away a few miles.

      • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        10·
        3 months ago

        Yeah that’s why I think radiator damage is the way to go. They will most likely get stuck on the freeway which is a royal fucking pain.

        • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          3 months ago

          Why do all that? I’d just wedge some oil or gas soaked rags on top of the catalytic converter. Once the car warms up, the vehicle burns down.

          • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            7·
            3 months ago

            I dont want to crawl under a car. Puncturing the radiator is a way to quickly immobilize a vehicle in a way that requires substantial repair. All of these “sugar in th gas tank!” “unscrew their tire stems!” ideas sound fun but they take time and thus make them fantasies. I want something quick and obvious that succeeds.

            So break their fucking radiators.

          • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            11·
            3 months ago

            I’m only an amateur mechanic and a middling chemist, but I’d estimate the amount of sugar water required for the sugar component to have any significant effect on an engine would just keep it from running. Gasoline won’t dissolve water and water is denser, so it’ll settle on the bottom of the tank. A fuel line full of water will kill combustion pretty quick.

    • Agent641@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 months ago

      Or diesel, in a petrol car. It’s a heck of a lot less suspicious to be pouring diesel from a fuel can than it is to be pouring a big ol bag of sugar.

  • Ekybio@lemmy.world
    161·
    3 months ago

    What would exactly happen if one woule pour sugar in the gas tank? Like on a chemical and mechanical level?

    First time hearing about this

    • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
      50·
      3 months ago

      It’s a myth perpetuated by people who don’t know better. By all means, putting sugar in a gas tank is not advised because, well, sugar doesn’t belong in there. But it will not ruin the engine. If it even reaches the engine, you have a pretty bad fuel filter.

    • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      93·
      3 months ago

      We call table salt “salt” even though that’s a generic name for any metal bonded with a non metallic mineral (for instance potassium chloride). Sugar is the same, table sugar is just one kind of sugar. “Sugar” is the generic name for a type of carbohydrate. Ethanols found in gasoline can degrade into a sugar over time (like in a mower left out over the winter) and this will leave a fine white powder in the engine that will cause scaring when the engine is started. Thus sugar can ruin your engine, but is more likely to increase wear. This has perpetuated an urban legend that you can force this by putting table sugar in a gas tank.

      • BreadOven@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 months ago

        See the longer response from another user, they’re correct. Just wanted to say table sugar is sucrose (a combination of fructose and glucose if I remember correctly). But you will not create sugars in the process you’re talking about.

      • ornery_chemist@mander.xyz
        3·
        3 months ago

        I realize (and you mentioned) that sugar is not a well defined term, but calling degradation products of ethanol in gas “sugars” is still a bit of a stretch. Ethanol by itself usually forms some combination of acetaldehyde, acetic acid, 2-carbon peroxides, and CO2 (i.e. not sugars) upon autoxidation, though those species can react with other components of gasoline to form the precipitated “gum”. The structure of gum in the literature is pretty hand-wavy (high MW materials kinda just be like that sometimes) but tends to be much more more oxygen-deficient than conventional “sugars” (polysaccharides) even for ethanol blends and contains a wider variety of substructures. Though, I have seen some papers talking about certain microbes that can ferment the ethanol in gasoline, possibly via sugars, but I don’t think that’s the common degradarion pathway for a mower.

    • rtxn@lemmy.world
      23·
      3 months ago

      Nothing. Sugar is not soluble in hydrocarbons and the particles would be caught by the fuel filter. You’d have to replace the filter and clean the fuel tank, but the engine would be fine. Might as well use dirt instead of sugar to achieve the same effect.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      Well then you would uh… ice ICE’s ICE.

      bad dum tish!

      Not really though, basically, it clogs up the fuel pump/filter.

      Not likely to… immediately or quickly immobilize the vehicle… but it would increase maintenance costs, and decrease fuel efficiency and reliability.

      …

      If you wanna go for something uh… faster acting, more immediate and more serious:

      A whole lot of water.

      That’ll make the engine choke and sputter and stall if you use enough.

      So… use ice to ice ICE’s ICE?

      Uh… in minecraft?

      …

      Sand will also clog up the filter, and cause more damage inside the actual engine if any gets through the filter.

      … A whole bunch of polystyrene packing peanuts would … also be ‘fun’, rofl.

      The way they chemically interact with gasoline… basically gellifies the gasonline, turning it into shitty, syrupy napalm.

      I am guessing a very gooopy gasoline is… not going to help a car run well, please actually do not test this rofl.

      I am not a chemist, but uh chat gpt says polystyrene + gasoline is an exothermic reaction… so that… generates heat… and gasses… and that could be bad… in a tightly sealed container…

      😅

      • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
        13·
        3 months ago

        Make sure there’s no small pockets of flourine gas sealed inside of packing peanuts before using them.

        That would be very bad for everyone within 100’ of the vehicle.

        • BreadOven@lemmy.world
          9·
          3 months ago

          That’s not a thing at all. Fluorine would react with the peanuts before anything else. There’s no fluorine in the peanuts themselves either. So dissolving them would also not release fluorine.

          Please don’t spread incorrect information.

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          3 months ago

          Oh dear god, does… is that a thing that happens with polystyrene? Fluorine gas pockets?

          See, I am not a chemist, but I have enough basic chemistry knowledge to know you do not fuck around with fluorine.

          Like I legitimately wasn’t kidding when I said ‘dont actually do this.’

    • Hellfire103@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      57·
      3 months ago

      Oh, it just gums everything up. The fuel doesn’t combust as well, and the pistons get sticky, among other things.

      EDIT: I was wrong. It clogs the fuel filter, the same way sand would.

      • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        12·
        3 months ago

        This is, at best, a myth. Sugar doesn’t dissolve in gasoline. There may be trace amounts of water in the tank too, but not enough to dissolve a meaningful amount of sugar. All it will realistically do is clog their fuel filter, the same way sand would.