Hey guys, I gotta lock this. There’s too much devolving into personal attacks and a shit ton of troll baiting. Weekends and major events are ripe for that, we had both this weekend. Please don’t fall for it.
America is an imperialist empire and fascists are the useful idiots of empire and the do nothing Democrats are just obstructionists that get in the way of the will of the people. But America, because it’s so distracted with its netflix and chill mentality, we are always starting from scratch as we live in a vacuum. History, if you know it well from many perspectives, is literally repeating itself. And what is scary is this is the same plan that was tried before. Only this time they’re succeeding. So you libturds can try to make me the bad guy but I’ll never vote for a fucking Democrat. All is going according to plan. Yankee gets what Yankee deserves, as the imperial boomerang smacks you dumb asses right in the fucking face. Collective suffering is ritious and deserved. NO WAR BUT THE CLASS WAR
You can save so many words by just saying “the hill lied”.
I’m not sure the intention of this sort of note.
Yes, Harris may’ve made those predictions. People heard em. They still preferred Trump, compared to Harris. It’s not like people, outside of the potentially fringe / outlier cases highlighted in some left-leaning media sources, are all that surprised. People didn’t vote for Trump because he was promising to treat immigrants with respect and dignity.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if many of the red-voters are looking at LA, and thinking things like “Look at how bad that immigration invasion got, they’re literally destroying the city and disrupting government. Even the governor of the State is part of the problem at this point, making noise about defending the public disorder. Tut tut. Send in more marines”.
“this is what we voted for go team ICE” is the jist of what ive been seeing.
I understand that the hill published this, but it was an opinion article. I get that some people value that, but they are almost never opinions of people that should have an opinion on the matter. Either way, I don’t consider opinion articles to be something that you can nail an organization to the cross over. Just sharing a perspective is all.
There have to be consequences for platforming fascists. This whole “civility and decorum” crap has got to stop, we are in a fascist coup and cannot afford to tolerate any enemy activity.
Our media has been completely complicit in the fascist coup because our news has been entirely captured by corporations hell-bent on profit maximization.
It’s called the court of public opinion. It doesn’t work if we don’t participate. And no one participates.
This whole “civility and decorum” crap has got to stop
…cool… You should tell that to someone that called for you to act with civility and decorum because I sure as shit did not.
enemy activity
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Calm down combat carl. I fully believe the actual fascist coup to begin any day now, but falling face first into a rake is not exactly a fucking panzer attack. You’re trying to defend a clearly false and misleading post by misdirecting with semantics and sensationalism. I’m amazed you didn’t try jangling your keys.
People are already being shot in the streets, and the military has been deployed domestically in blatant violation of the constitution. People are being kidnapped by masked unbadged thugs and disappearing without any court appearance. What more will it take for you to recognize the coup?
Firstly, I never said that the coup didn’t exist. Is every response from you going to be a straw man of what you wish I would have said?
And secondly, was it a coup when it happened in Portland? Because I’m not seeing a distinction here. You can pretend all you want that this situation is different because of the obvious illegality, and this admin IS different, but the situations are identical in every fucking way.
I was in the military. It was 20 years ago but I’m reasonably confident that not much has changed since the “don’t ask” days. We trained on how to conduct operations IN populated areas. If you told me that we got our training from Steven Seagal, I would laugh my ass off. Would you like to venture a guess on who hires a shit stain conman like Steven Seagal? Yup, it’s those cops that you would argue are legal to deploy and “trained” for serving the public. Sadly, they are not. I trust a misplaced marine every day and all day over an unregulated highschool dropout. I agree it is wrong, but until they use actual bullets on domestic streets, I’m not really any more worried than I already am at the guys who WEREN’T trained for the military grade equipment they were issued.
Fyi, I was skeptical of your application of the word “enemy”, not implying denial. If you are using the word to describe cops then, of course, but it’s been this way since the very origin of cops so what makes now so special? But if you are using that to describe people, then I have no doubt that conservatives appreciate your assistance legitimizing their endeavors.
And if you think there is something to win on the streets of the US pushing back against the organized boots then you’ve already lost.
Also Marines are Navy, so…technicality?
🤣 Trump really is playing 5D chess. You can’t nail him down. He’s like a bar of soap, that is also a pedophile.
I understand that the hill published this, but it was an opinion article.
Authored by a far-right talk radio host who fully endorses mass deportation and execution of liberal dissidents, sure.
This is where I challenge you to find a single opinion article published by the hill from a reputable person about a worthy opinion. And when you say “that doesn’t exist” I’m going to respond “no shit sherlock, that’s what an opinion piece is, a disreputable person seeking your unearned attention.” Good thing we gave it to them…
It’s worth nothing that “The Hill” has always been liberal garbage.
You should. Arguably, you should nail the to the cross for opinion pieces more, because opinion pieces exist to launder articles that the paper can’t reasonably justify publishing… but still really wants to publish.
They can be used for that but they are absolutely not solely for the purpose of misinfo laundering. That’s a proposterous and indefensible claim. Fucking ridiculous.
Look, you can dislike it all you want. I do. I dislike them. And I refuse to read opinion pieces, from anyone. That’s what you do when you’re intelligent. You check what you’re reading before you read it. Do you not check your beverages to ensure they aren’t floor cleaner? When your beverage tastes unpalatable do you not remember to check then? At what point does drinking a gallon of bleach become your own fault?
I hate ads. I stopped watching TV entirely because of how much I despise ads. I wasn’t good at manually filtering them out so the responsible things to do was to stop watching TV until I had a solution. So over the years, I found solutions. After a while I was able to use a smart phone completely free of ads. I filtered my data and was able to use a lot of sites again. Now I get all my media from Usenet. Every now and then I walk past a TV at work and it’s playing ads and I find it hilarious. I literally forget about ads. And hearing the simple fucks cry about YouTube and chrome is yet another joke for me.
I can’t imagine being so opposed to something only to invest absolutely nothing into remediation and then blaming everyone else for my failure to act. Because that is what you remind me of when I read your response. You don’t get to have your bleach and drink it too. At what point does reading an opinion article become your fault?
Misinfo? I’m talking about opinion pieces. “Israel has a right to defend itself” isn’t strictly misinfo, but it is, arguably, an opinion. And you’re correct. They’re not only used for opinion laundering - they also appear to be a sort of make-work program.
And I don’t know what conversation your tangent on what you’re reminded of comes from, but it’s not the one we’re having.
because opinion pieces exist to launder articles that the paper can’t reasonably justify publishing… but still really wants to publish.
Your words. Not mine. And this is what the tangent is about. You said we should nail them to the cross for publishing opinion pieces - something which I also abhor but happily accept the responsibility of avoiding. I’m not going to blame a capitalist organization for doing what a capitalist organization is always going to do. I’d be blisteringly stupid if I did that.
Once again, I’m not sure what conversation you think you’re having, but it’s not this one.
After seeing your rationale, I have no doubt you feel that way.
You should. Arguably, you should nail the to the cross for opinion pieces more, because opinion pieces exist to launder articles that the paper can’t reasonably justify publishing… but still really wants to publish.
Literally your words bro. It’s right there.
Should organizations platform anything and everything? Should there be no standards?
That’s entirely up to them. I sure wish they wouldn’t, but capitalism is what it is. And if the mass of metaphorical Beakers hangs their hat on each and every controversial word regardless of bias, then they’re going to do that. If platforming chucklefucks keeps the lights on… So there it is.
There should be standards. Agreed. I have literally no say in that and my opinion means literally nothing on this. However, that doesn’t mean calling meaningless shit like this out doesn’t hurt the rest of us. I’m as sympathetic as the next person. It sucks. But if we are going to cry wolf and alligator tears every single time an already trash organization does a thing you - without a shadow of a doubt - expect them to do, then you are doing their work for them. Stop hitting yourself.
Take it on the chin, ignore them, and move on. I work in one of the most remote places on the planet with about 1000 conservatives, and these aren’t the GOP “gays are cool now” conservatives, these are the “gays are pedophiles and we should exterminate them all” conservatives. These are InfoWarriors and flat earthers. Deep state theory is assumedly foundational and antiestablishmentarianism is the MO. I pointed out, a single time, that even Alex Jones said Trump was “mobbed up with the russians” and I have been known as “the liberal” since then. These proverbial tweakers are drawn to plausible deniability like a catalytic converter. Sure, they are the lowest common denominator when it comes to human prototypes, but they are also the low tide and they know it. If they can sanitize bigotry then the cool GOPers will be able to use them to justify it. So we (the opposition to authoritarianism) need to sterilize easily defensible shit like this.
Look at the replies I’ve received… All I did was point out the plot hole in the assertion implied by OP exposed by the reality that one could say that “the hill” did not say it themselves and furthermore that the hill has a giant warning at the top of the article that literally states they DO NOT hang their hat on opinion pieces (and btw, fuck the hill but they do). All I’m pointing out is to not say the hill explicitly called Harris a liar, because based on the facts, they didn’t. Several replies still allude to the culpability of the hill… Which is best case scenario semantic when totally generalized, but more likely consolatory and akin to someone splitting hairs over “travelling” in street basketball.
“The right” could say that “the left” would polish brass on the titanic. And we could know that they’d said it too. But here we are, God forbid we pass a single piece of brass without giving it a mirror shine and then gasp Pikachu faces when the right says “see?”.
How did we lose the election? Shit like this. We need to be better than this. This is teaching a pig to sing.
Sensationalism is their game. Leave to play it amongst themselves.
Hey now, they blacklisted Katie Halper for talking about Palestine.
Never say The Hill doesn’t have standards.
An agreeable position if those opinion pieces were written in good faith by a respectable journalist who knows what they’re talking about. Honest opinions are never wrong.
But in today’s news it’s just a way to publish straight-up misinformation and propaganda, they can just abuse their position to just say whatever and people internalise it because, well, it’s the news.
Journalists and news outlets used to depend upon a reputation of integrity and factuality built over the years. Now anyone can open up their “news” website, or be a politically motivated party with lots of resources, claim completely made-up stuff, and when those articles reveal themselves to be complete bullshit, nothing happens.
Also, the world seems to really have lost the conception of what is a fact vs what is an opinion, a deduction, a belief, and so on. Guess the nature of Internet communication doesn’t help with that.
I mean is anyone surprised? The media’s capitulation and normalization of a felon rapist traitor and his enablers is why we are where we are. Because drama makes them more money and this nation lacks the rules necessary to prevent the media from lying to Americans.
All we need is more rules and theyll stop breaking the rules!
We need to reach out harder to the republicans, and we need more AIPAC money. Whoever gets the most election funding tends to win! (except for last time of course)
So lets reach out to AIPAC and ask how we can close on more campaign funding, and ask the Cheney family to send someone stronger than Liz next time, to stand next to Harris. Is Dick Cheney busy? Maybe he can shoot a dem in the face and have the dem apologize for it. I bet Dick Cheney would say yes to this.
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Everyone knows leftists are lazy idiots that’ll make up any reason to rationalize not voting. You’re rationalizing so hard now you’ve gone down some antisemitic rabbit hole.
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care to clarify who you mean by ‘leftist’?
I mean is anyone surprised?
I am genuinely surprised that we made it four years under his first term without getting this far in, but we’re speed running to military dictatorship inside six months.
If you actually read the article it is absolutely swimming in reactionary revanchism. There’s everything from the author defending Trump’s association with the Charlottesville rioters to whining about MSNBC sound-bites to referring to immigration during the Biden Presidency as a “Border Invasion”.
This isn’t even the boilerplate Politico “Lying when their lips are moving” false-equivalency. This is Derek Hunter, a talk radio frothing fascist and senior columnist for Townhall.com, doing exactly what his corporate handlers pay him to do.
Watch the news try to play it like it’s the Marines not the army so Kamala lied.
I remember after her DNC speech, NPR put out an article listing all the misleading things in her speech and #1 was that she said Trump will jail journalists, and the article linked to a tweet of Trump saying “dishonest” journalists should be jailed but she’s still being misleading because it wasn’t actually a part of his official campaign platform.
No similar article existed for his RNC speech. Having preferred NPR for years, that moment made me realize just how hard the media failed the country.
I was a supporter of my local NPR station for decades. It’s crazy how far right the coverage has gone. Slowly over the years, then really hard in recent months. It’s like they’re desperately trying to show that they aren’t left leaning, by going way the other way. I’ve heard long interviews with wackos from things like The Heritage Foundation all the time, with little to no pushback on the BS. I watched a magat congressman interviewed on PBS the other night with zero pushback to his bullshit magat talking points. The list goes on. I stopped watching/listening to them, but I’ve been kind of at a loss as to where to check up on news. AP or Reuters is about it, I guess.
They can still argue that their definition of “you” is exclusive to a certain group of people
How long before that changes?
Never? They’ll shift which group it refers to, but it’ll always refer to a minority group of people. Whether that includes “you” depends on luck, I suppose.
Um ackchyually it’s the Marines and National Guard.
And then Harris completely disappeared as soon as the election was over, failing to challenge his extremely questionable victory in any meaningful way
As bad as his victory was, it wasn’t even vaguely questionable.
Of the people that turned out, more of them voted for Trump, plain and simple, even by the popular vote without having to complain about the electoral college.
The only objective fact that gives an asterisk is he didn’t manage to get over 50% of the popular vote, but he still had the most of any candidate.
I’ve seen the mentions of “inconsistencies” and “Musk manipulated the votes” but a read of them seems about as credible as 2020 election denials.
If she had challenged it, she probably wouldn’t have won the challenge, AND she would have fueled a whole smattering of “SEE, BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME” bs
Fuck that, the situation wasn’t the same and EVERYONE knows it. The solution isn’t to avoid the whole thing so the accusation isn’t made, the solution is to do the right thing, and when the accusation is made, you slap them down HARD!
This is the same flawed logic as the folks saying that violent resistance will give the other side a “justification”, they’re gonna make one up anyway so there’s absolutely no point in abstaining from any given course of action for the sake of not giving them one. Even if it hadn’t worked it would have demonstrated some commitment to actually stopping Trump, but corporate dems don’t actually give a shit what happens as long as they’re still getting paid.
Well if people were going to say stuff, it’s awesome that she didn’t do anything! Close call. \s
Billionaires: " yes, she’s an obedient little soldier 👍"
It must be nice to have the billionaire’s hot air to fill your sails as you navigate these rough seas. However, woe betide those that displease the mighty donors, they will immediately find themselves in the doldrums, they no longer have a purpose and the billionaires await the next empty vessel.
It must be nice, it must be niice to have billionaires on your side.
It must be nice, it must be niice to have billionaires on your side.
Lol.
Still blaming Harris as a coup unfolds.
So productive.
A challenge would have gone nowhere and given the other side ammunition. Focus on something worth your time.
Still simping for dems while they sit back and watch a fascist coup unfold, you’re as spineless as they are and a thousand times stupider. You have no idea whether a legal challenge would have worked or not, at the very least it would have demonstrated any commitment whatsoever to stopping Trump, but Harris doesn’t actually give a shit and never did, she just wanted money and power. You should focus on developing some dignity.
Still simping for dems while they sit back and watch a fascist coup unfold
Americans voted for it, dipshit. Americans voted the GOP into TOTAL CONTROL. Americans HANDED THE REIGNS to the GOP.
you’re as spineless as they are
Motherfucker, I vote for the Dems because I did my homework and KNOW they regularly vote in favor of the middle and lower classes, don’t threaten rights, and are historically better for our economy. I vote for the Dems because I’m not some dumbfuck like you and I know that we are nowhere near ending the two-party system in America so the INTELLIGENT thing to do is vote Dem to maintain our rights and prevent Republicans from gaining control and doing, oh yeah, exactly what the fuck they’re doing now. But you and the word “intelligent” don’t exist in the same space together.
You’re just whining like a little bitch about Harris while missing the bigger picture. Who the fuck cares if behind the scenes she was some power hungry asshole that just wanted her name in the history books? She was STILL, BY FAR, the more intelligent option. You aren’t just voting for the candidate you fucking loser, you’re voting for the party and the policies attached to it, which in the Dem’s case, is way better than the policy of fucking fascism.
You’re just a whiny little bitch. Get the fuck off .ml, that shit is frying what’s left of your brain.
You’re not supposed to question the victory of a presidential election when done in free and democratic elections. Doing anything like that would be horribly anti-democratic.
It would be horrible if Harris had challenged Trump’s victory. That would just make her another Causescu/Trump/Mussolini.
She was a weak candidate and had very little political capital, it was a wild shot, but she was just a better choice than Biden. The dem party has almost ZERO strong presidential leadership that the general, liberal or progressive population can connect with, and I’m pretty sure it’s by design.
AOC might have a chance of rising and gaining prominence but she’s still regarded broadly as “too young” to do more than take a senate seat, which would be great either way. Zhoran Mamdani is going to be a titan on the left if he survives the concerted efforts of zionist liberal America to melt his efforts, but if he succeeds he’s going to be busy in New York for years to come. David Hogg isn’t going to lead the nation, but he IS making worthless old dems literally cry, so there is some marginal hope for a rally by next midterms.
But we also may not have midterms at this point. We’re edging closer to martial law and general, fascist, authoritarian dictatorship, and the best we’re getting from Dem leadership is “strongly worded letters” from Chuck “Less Than Worthless” Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries likes to reiterate that “Trump has a mandate” and is basically Schumer’s little shadow. Cory Booker gained national attention by doing a publicity stunt to literally promote a book. Bernie Sanders is still a voice of power and influence but he’s definitely past the window of electability, sadly.
We need better representation and that doesn’t spawn from nowhere, we need people on the ground, getting involved in local community, city and county elections so that real people with real passion get national attention. It’s not that they don’t exist, it’s that the left and liberals broadly are sitting on their hands waiting for something to be presented to them.
We have to get out of the “someone will do something” mindset and get out and DO stuff, even if it’s just joining the protests right now.
AOC might have a chance
We should really stop this.
I like AOC.
I also realize we just elected a rapist felon traitor insurrectionist and declined the last 2 females who ran for president, despite being WAY more qualified than a felon rapist traitor insurrectionist.
This is not the time and not the country to elect a female president, especially one so “green”. If we try to push AOC, we’re going to lose, again.
This is not how I want things to be. It’s simply an observation of this nation and how extremely unlikely it is to elect a woman president. It’ll be Bernie all over again, but probably even more of a shutout.
Do not blame it on being a woman, statistically they win the same rate as male candidates just run far less often.
It’s just being sexist for someone else’s sake.
This is not the time to run status quo and low effort candidates but loud and effective ones which we have a shortage of in the DNC.
Do not blame it on being a woman
I’m not. I’m blaming it on the American electorate, which is what I stated in my comment that you didn’t read thoroughly.
statistically they win the same rate as male candidates
Not for president they don’t, and if you read my comment thoroughly, you’d know that’s what I was talking about. Open your eyes bud. It was a woman or a felon rapist traitor who ALREADY FAILED ONCE AS PRESIDENT. We chose the rapist instead of the woman. Welcome to American reality.
And it isn’t just that she’s a woman. She’s a woman AND extremely liberal. That combo simply doesn’t work for a lot of the American electorate.
This is not the time to run status quo
I didn’t say status quo. Did you read my comment at all? You can run all sorts of people that aren’t status quo and also not a woman. I WANT A WOMAN PRESIDENT. Spoiler alert, it ain’t happening anytime soon in America. But if you’d like to ignore reality and lose again…that’s your right as a voter. That kind of behavior is why we are where we are.
The American electorate is not who is writing your comments.
You are distinctly ignoring other critiques to focus on gender as the main component. Do not assign your own bias to everyone else. We do not all think as you do and can’t be blamed for what you think to be true.
Statistically across the world women win elections at the same rate as men.
Support a female president you want then instead of telling them all that none of them can win because of their gender. It makes you sound like the sexist.
You’re like, on the edge of political awareness, but you’re kinda stuck on the wallpaper.
Setting aside that I also said she’s not the right candidate for the time, I know for a fact that the “woman president will never win” mandate is a manufactured talking point and a lot of otherwise smart people ate that story up because they thought the system was remotely balanced and that democracy wasn’t compromised. (as well as latent, bitter, cynical sexism oozing out of the country’s pores right now.)
Clinton won the popular vote. It’s not the gender of the candidate, it’s the energy of the electorate and their ability to sidestep very real corruption in politics by people like Elon Musk controlling AI and search engines, and very real KGB tactics being used on our populace.
Trump’s victories have been hacks. They exploited every angle to make it happen. The people who voted him into power are the minority, they don’t represent the average voter. Our problem is the “average voter” is staying home, because, and I cannot stress this enough, our society has been compromised, hacked, unfairly influenced. In this current climate we won’t see ANYONE the corporate oligarchs don’t want to see on the throne. The Democrat party is in on this. There’s a reason they’re trying to undermine the Dems who don’t take the checks like AOC and Zhoran, people who are basically enemies of their own party.
We rebuild this a piece at a time from grassroots, and we need to push the “gender” questions out of public discourse and stop falling for the distraction. Every other nation is electing liberal or left-leaning candidates, men and women alike. This isn’t a fair democracy in the USA anymore, we have to get out of this mindset that we “just need our own version of Trump.”
We need the popular mandate but we also need a way to get around the artificial bumpers the current oligarchy has set up. If you buy the idea that we need to remove women from the ballot, or we need candidates who are more “moderate” (IE: right leaning) you’re falling for the ploy, hook, line and sinker.
After hearing from walz I kinda wished he was the candidate
I think he would have been a strong candidate a few election cycles ago, but likely not a winner in today’s climate. We have a LOT of pent-up rage in our population, as a result of our national “fierce independence” reaching its own “late stage” level.
Waltz has bite and sharpness that would appeal to a lot of people if he were un-muzzled, but he’s still not going to fit the “WWE theater” spectacle that engages the stupidest people, and which because of systemic sabotage of our elections, is the only segment of the population who votes anymore.
While I don’t like him at all, I think Newsom fits this role the best and might be the strongest contender if we have elections again. (And he will probably be more likely to cheat in some way.)
Instead of AOC (however much I love her and her message) I’m thinking Whitmer would be better and has a great track record. Walz would be stronger than AOC, if they let him hammer 'em with his wit. Andy Beshear would totally freak the GOP out and would be a great choice.
Walz is a zionist. So is Pritzger. A zionist wont win.
But we also may not have midterms at this point.
I suspect we will continue to have elections, but they will strategically select specific races throughout the country to tamper with in favor of the GOP, and they’ll increase the number of rigged races with each election until our entire electoral process has been captured and we end up with something akin to Russia or Venezuela. We’ll hold elections, but they’ll be a complete sham. We’ll (officially) be a one-party state with one other party of controlled opposition to give people the illusion of choice.
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Instead of focusing on what is actually happening with National Guard and Marines being deployed, we see the pattern of pointless arguing in circles about why the candidate lost in the comments below. Analysis Paralysis is the exact intention for articles like this. This helps the current criminal administration continue their behavior.
Yeah but then she lied about “working for a ceasefire” and being any different on genocide. What a hero.
The last administration was openly stating their disapproval of Israel’s actions, attempting to initiate peace talks, and floating a pause of arms shipments.
What’s the current administration doing?
“the last administration was beginning to start the process of thinking about pretending to initiate the process that allows the inception of starting to begin to put some pressure on Israel”
Weird that didn’t work!
The last administration pretended to care when they didn’t, lied about it and did nothing.
The current administration forced a ceasefire at the beginning then went back to letting genocide go through.
At the very least, the people who did nothing and were active in the genocide at the time weren’t rewarded. Maybe next time they’ll think on that and take a stance so they dont lose the next election.
At the very least, the people who did nothing and were active in the genocide at the time weren’t rewarded. Maybe next time they’ll think on that and take a stance so they dont lose the next election.
Oh nice. So you’re happy we prevented rewarding the people that didn’t do enough by allowing a felon rapist traitor who is tanking our economy, destroying our alliances, uses the U.S. military to threaten Americans, and has stated he wants to remove all Palestinians and make Gaza a vacation resort to call the shots?
Do you wear your clown nose to bed?
Did you skip a handful of grades?
Did your parents just utterly fail at the task of raising you to think critically?
“Herp derp, we really showed them as we punch ourselves in the face.”
and we now know those were complete lies, and they never actually pressured Israel to stop once.
She looks pretty hot in that photo
