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What a bunch of welfare queens. They should have planted crops people want to buy.
That’s one way to get the farms into the hands of billionaires for cheap.
This was the goal all along. They want all that land in the hands of private equity. The farmers can lease it back if they want to try again. Serfdom.
So the us is just going full Great Depression again huh?
And now JD Vance’s Acretrader can come buy up all the land for cheap and sell it to foreign interests!
“Temporary” my ass. They are going to beg for those evil socialistic handouts for the coming years. Simply because it is unlikely to get better.
Well yeah, farm subsidies aren’t new.
They voted for this and it’s going exactly to plan, they just wish the plan was faster.
The plan is to remove everyone undocumented and then bring them all back as H-2A visa labor paying them pennies on the dollar.
That doesn’t make sense. Adding paperwork isn’t going to lower labor costs.
Undocumented workers are already the least paid, least protected category of worker.
They’d be switching from workers with no minimum wage to ones that have a minimum wage, need to be properly tracked by the IRS and all that.Haha, you think they are keeping the rules the same? https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/news-insights/dol-issues-game-changer-rule-for-h-2a-farmworker-wages.html
In my state undocumented farm workers make a little more than minimum wage. After this rule change they will be able to legally pay them less.
These are the two most important points of the blog or article I posted:
- DOL’s Reasoning. The DOL estimates that agricultural employers will save over $24 billion over the next 10 years as a result of these changes.
- AEWR Examples. For some states, these AEWR changes will mean that the state minimum wage will become the highest applicable wage rate for H-2A workers. For other states, the new AEWRs will be lower than the state’s minimum wage. For example, California’s statewide hourly minimum wage for most employers for 2025 is $16.50. However, the new hourly AEWR in California after applying the state’s $3.00 downward adjustment for nonmonetary compensation is $13.45 for entry-level H-2A workers in the Skill I category and $15.71 for experienced H-2A workers in the Skill Level II category.
I feel like what you’re missing is that this is lowering the floor for what you can pay visa holders, but saying that will make them preferable to people where there is no floor doesn’t follow.
I feel like you are still missing a piece of this puzzle.
It turns the migrant farm workers into almost an indentured servitude type class. Right now they demand free market wages which is often above minimum wage in that state. Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.
So sure there is no “floor” right now, but the free market is the floor. This change might benefit some migrants who are getting bad deals currently, but overall it will harm the migrant workforce and drive labor costs down.
Without this migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.
Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.
So why would they enter the program? They currently have demonstrated that they have no problem not having an immigration status, so why would they switch to having something that doesn’t benefit them, that they don’t want, and that costs them money?
Their goal is to make the legal path cheaper to appeal to farmers, but farmers aren’t the ones driving the price. As you said: market rate is higher than this guarantees people. If there’s a growing shortage of labor you can expect labor wages to rise. Why would you agree to work for less if you can just go to a different farm and make more?
I understand your point and the situation perfectly well.
migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.
I believe this is why you’re wrong, and farmers aren’t hoping it goes faster, but rather voted again their own interests like so many have, and just didn’t think they would specifically target their livelihoods.
A racist administration deporting people aggressively, lowering the incentives to come here legally, and not caring about the consequences, while farmers scramble to control damage they didn’t think was actually going to happen is a way simpler story. Also fits nicely with “America first” burning the ability of those farmers to sell to a global market, canceling programs that gave them money, and canceling food aid orders that mostly existed as back handed subsidies.
Lol.
The plan is slave labour
Gotta close that prison loophole.
I think it’s better understood as many different factions with their own desires:
- Those who want raw power for the sake of power. Trump is almost certainly personally in this category. This is probably the primary motivation behind the Project 2025 stuff, tearing down the guardrails that limit their power.
- Those who are trying to enrich themselves: Trump’s family is probably here, and Trump himself and his inner circle do seem to be motivated by financial gain to some degree.
- Those who want to use the Trump administration to make the U.S. whiter by expelling non-white people and restricting immigration of brown people (while increasing white refugees admitted).
- Those who want to assert dominance of certain types of Christianity (with some internal tension on whether that extends to Catholics/Protestant/Mormon/other beliefs)
- Those who want the government to pursue business friendly policies like lower taxes and lower business regulations.
- Those who want to leverage the government’s power to win a culture war (bullying schools, libraries, Hollywood, the media, etc., into supporting right-wing cultural principles).
There is tension between all of these things, and there’s tension within the Trump coalition. The business interests and the immigration hardliners jockey for position with Trump and his inner circle. The religious groups and the war hawks and the cryptocurrency scammers are all trying to advance their own agenda, too.
Not everything is going to make coherent sense. Not every idea is going to win, either. And if anything, the business side of things is less powerful than in the typical administration with several areas that are actively hostile to traditional Republican business interests (immigration, tariffs, pardoning securities fraudsters, shaking down corporations for donations or tribute).
It’s important to recognize the tensions because those are also weak spots in their coalition. Defeating fascism will involve fomenting some internal tensions and peeling off different factions.
Customer retention is a huge thing. Customers are often hard to get and easy to lose. Piss them off and they’ll find an alternative and they are not coming back. Trump has crippled us for decades.
But Trump knows that his base will still vote for him regardless of how his policies directly impact them.
Their desire for hate and oppression trumps (pun intended) whatever economic hardship they face.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
Doesn’t matter what his base thinks, or who they vote for. Guess my point is that it’s too late to turn around and regain our “customer’s” trust.
When the manager, who was approved by the employees, belts every 4th guy in the door straight in the teeth, that stores custom is drying up and it’s not coming back.
You’ve heard of government cheese? Wait until you hear about government rotten tofu
Mmmmm government seitan.
All bailout money is earmarked for the corporations. We need to save the banks and the auto industry! Again!! /s
Aren’t farmers who are among the most conservative voters worldwide?
Hard to say. Currently it seems so, but historically, even in the US, famers are often at the forefront of socialist sentiments. Even if they look different from what one expects.
More generally, VOTERS killed farming in America.
Well the alternative was voting for Harris and I think she would have gone around and personally shot the farmers.
I definitely heard her say she was going to do this
Many people were saying it
Kristi Noem was tapped by Harris to help take care of the farmer’s animals.
Farming in America has been in decline as small family owned farms go under and get bought out by large multinationals and the elites.
And the people who pointed out this would happen were laughed at or told we were being overdramatic
Congrats republicans, you MAGA’d your way to the downfall of America. Maka America Garbage Again
Let’s not give them all the credit. All the dumbass nonvoters deserve their fair share of responsibility too.
the people who pointed out this would happen were laughed at
Time to turn the tables. Never miss a chance to laugh at them
This is why farmers shouldn’t monocrop. Even if a farmer doesn’t care about the environment and soil health, monocropping makes a farmer vulnerable to the volatile nature of geopolitics and the global economy.
They don’t? Afaik soy is an off season crop to balance nitrogen(?) in the ground. But not being able to sell your harvest 50% of the time is still pretty bad.
This.
Big thanks from Brasil. Our soy exports are up like 30%
I just wish I could find soy milk in the supermarket. I hate that we don’t prioritize our internal market first.
As a brasillian its the exact same thing here sadly. With tariffs our meat exports got crippled badly so I expected to have a lot of high quality cheap meat at the market but… Yup, the producers prefer not to lose their product than to sell domestically and bring down the prices, fuck those guys
Sou brasileira amigo, tô falando do Brasil msm 😅
Eh nois entao haha
Honestly you’re welcome. I’m glad someone is benefiting from this absolute shit show.
Corn and soy are about the only agricultural products that aren’t extremely scarce this year…
Guess what the US exports instead of buying from Brasil? Nature wants them to fail too.
I’m going to end up emigrating from this fucking country primarily so I can stop bailing out dumbfucks.
This is absurd.
We’re going to bail out “bootstrap” assholes after they were warned they were going to kill their own livelihoods. Fuck that clown shit.
The US government has been doing this forever. For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized. They couldn’t survive if they weren’t subsidized.
For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized.
They’re subsidized to regulate productivity. You don’t want large fluctuations in the supply of staple goods, so you offer a price floor that’s cost of production + vig to guarantee a certain volume of retail surplus.
If you want to get extra fancy, you turn the excess into a good that you can preserve for long periods (excess milk turned into Government Cheese) that you can then store in the event of a supply contraction or dole out abroad for goodwill as material aid.
The only real caveat is that you need the agricultural property owned by actual working people, rather than some enormous private conglomerate or trust. The goal is to guarantee a steady supply of his that still offers gainful employment, not to create a massive shareholder give away for folks who will still fuck with the supply chain
But where are you gonna go? Most countries don’t want more refugees
Australia here.
I’ve been saying all along that we’d happily exchange some fuckwits for some lefty seppos.
Chuck another shrimp on the barbie mate strewth.
Haha yeah I’m Australian too. And agree, lefty seppos would be a welcome change from a lot of the fuckwits we have around here…
But also, I don’t want to add more fuckwits so how do we filter out the gun loving Maga psychos?
Most farmers voted to burn their own fields… again. The same man who nearly crippled American agriculture last time was welcomed with open arms. Tariffs, trade wars, and labor shortages wrecked their profits before, but somehow they lined up for another round. It is like watching someone hire the same man who burned down their house and expecting him to rebuild it this time.
in his first term, i read an article where the farmers were hopeful he would turn things around despite him putitng the tariffs in the first time. theres no helping these people.
After his Trade War on the first term, Trump gave major subsidies and bailouts which really benefited large farmers. Trump promised similar subsidies for this term, and Trump actually delivered on that in his spending bill; but farmers were expecting more than what was promised, and they haven’t gotten that.
This really needs to be higher up. Farmers are millionaires who got massive bailouts and tax breaks the first Trump term. They were expecting the same thing this time around which is why they voted for him again. They voted for their bank account over human suffering and the destruction of America
Bingo. If you haven’t heard of her, I recommend you check out https://www.youtube.com/@FarmToTaber - I found her videos extremely informative.
I would MUCH rather LITERALLY LOSE MY ENTIRE INDUSTRY AND WAY OF LIFE then to have ONE Trans Kid NOT feel suicidal!
-LITERALLY all Republican Voters!
This is hilarious and I upvoted. But it’s also not accurate, and presenting it this way makes Trump look like a giga chad tricking bullies into punishing themselves, when he’s more like just king of a mentally ill cult. I won’t take my upvote back because I voted for Trump one time 9 years ago and I can’t take that back
If you’re committed to unlearning the fascism, you should know that the narrative that it’s just “mentally ill” people that voted for him is also not accurate and is infact ableist. White affluent Americans have been primed to endorse these values for centuries, it isn’t new and it isn’t disabled people’s fault.
Being unable to stop trying to commit mass suicide via climate change seems like a serious disability
It’s a social sickness but it’s not a disability.
They can control it and they have chosen to behave like this. You do not get that in a disability
People we both recognize as disabled are also told the exact same thing by others, that they’re choosing to behave that way
And much like your attempt at comparison, it ain’t true.
Not much like, then
I regret your use of the word “gigachad”, but “Tricking bigots into punishing themselves” is the precise description of the Republican party.
That’s not a good thing. The theme of American history is “Rich whites convinced poor whites to destroy their own public goods out of fear that someone not like them might benefit too.”
It’s not mental illness. It’s not economic anxiety. It’s not ethics in gaming journalism. It’s white supremacy.
I’d definitely say white supremacy is mental illness though
Oh, so you haven’t learned much at all, you just felt too much shame to keep up the support.
Your narrative here is that moral impurity and disability are not only intertwined, but are also responsible for the worst elements of our world. That’s fascism.
You’re a chud, go lick boots somewhere else.
I’m morally impure but trying to survive. Many people have called me retarded, but there are also plenty of actual disabled people who are more morally pure than me.
I say the problem isn’t the disabled or the morally impure, it’s a huge cult with such a serious sickness they seem to want extinction.
