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OMG in still confused at this.
“I don’t eat animals”
“Do you eat fish?” (My thinking people say they are vegetarian but are actually pescaterian but don’t like saying it for some reason)
“Yea but thats not an animal”
“Hahaha yea it is”
“No it isnt”
“Wait what? … If its not an animal what is it? A tree? Haha”
“It’s a fish!”
“Which is an animal”
“No! An animal is an animal, and a fish is a fish!”
“Fish are animals. Look, we can look it up to check if you want”
“I’m not going to look it up because I know a fish isn’t an animal. I don’t need to look it up!”
“… … I guess I can’t argue with that”
This all took place during pre drinks which is why I thought I was getting fucked with at the start. But I never realised how so many people are walking around blindingly, confidently, unshakeably wrong. She got mad.
I’m able to understand conceptually that “meat” doesn’t literally mean any animal’s muscle tissue in every language. Sometimes it’s a more vague concept of a large mammal’s meat and excludes fish, poultry, etc. And that’s okay. But I also hate it.
I’ve never once voiced this thought out loud, but every time someone says something like “I don’t want fish, I want to eat meat” I think “Well, you’re wrong, but OK.” There’s some arbitrary dividing line people assume is logical, but I don’t think it would hold up to serious scrutiny.
Are organs other than muscle not meat?
“Organ meats” is definitely a phrase used for offal, but I think the “organ” qualifier is doing work there. Offal is certainly meat in the sense that if ordered a dish with no meat and got liver, I’d be upset. But I’d also be upset if I said I want meat for dinner and my partner made liver. I guess it really depends on context.
This is how I felt as a kid when my peers insisted the thumb is not a finger. Like what are you talking about bro? If I asked before this came up, you’d have said you have ten fingers, not eight.
this is how I feel as a Spanish speaker when English tell me toes aren’t fingers
In English, they aren’t. Toes and fingers are both digits, but not both toes or fingers.
I acknowledge that you are right, however I also acknowledge that I don’t like it and I rather be wrong about it
Language created a thing where Spanish speaker have twice the finger than English speakers.
You can always call them foot fingers in English if you like, although you might get some strange looks.
to differentiate them from hand toes
She got mad
Laugh in her face then walk away and let her be mad
It’s wild to me… And then to get mad? Like “how dare you make me learn something”
Proud ignorance is basically a religion in the US now.
Not the US BTW.
I was just speaking to my own experience here.
More people need to be told to their face that they’re imbeciles.
Just confusing animals and mammals. Cause they’re both mals.
They are kind of right … there is no such thing as a fish.
Of course there’s such a thing as a fish! A fish is any swimming vertebrate (or its descendant), such as a tuna, or a duck, or a human.
You believe in cladistics or you don’t, cowards!
Being cold blooded and living “wholly in water” are also requirements.
Nah, phylogenetically speaking, all descendants of fish must also be fish, by definition. Therefore, “being cold blooded” cannot also be a criterion (not that it would work anyway since tuna are warm blooded, BTW, and nobody would argue tuna aren’t fish).
The “living wholly in water” criterion actually works, though: land-fish (e.g. humans) live inside a bag of water that we carry with us.
Still an animal though
Podcast mentioned.
If I went down that rabbithole I think she would have punched me
No such thing as birds.
Yes there are, they’re a kind of dinosaur
I’m vegan, but i eat cows. Cows aren’t animals, cows are cows.
I have a workmate who loves to act dumb. We’ve decided fish aren’t animals, they are indeed fish, we’ve also decided jellyfish are crustaceans.
Do we have to decide to share the Nobel prize or does a committee decide that for us?
When I was in third grade I had an argument with my teacher who told me that insects were not animals. I was really into nature documentaries and books at the time and I knew that insects were in the animal kingdom. I remember going home and being really mad about it. That really soured me on school for the rest of my life. I’m still bitter about it!
autism has entered the chat
Maybe. I’ve wondered if I’m on the spectrum. Either way that teacher was definitely wrong.
I’m mostly joking, but not getting over it so many years later is a symptom of autism, fyi
I was mainly joking, I’m definitely over it.
my mom started to dye her hair when I was a small child, and not joking - I’m still not over it … I really do hold onto things that long, and I’m beginning to wonder if I might be on the spectrum 😅
My third grade teacher told me that negative numbers aren’t real.
Reflecting back on it thirty years later, it’s clear what she meant, but the poorly communicated statement and arguments she made were very upsetting to me, someone who at the time was very proud of having just learned the concept.
In the moment, I had the same reaction as you. Shortly thereafter, my mom - who was not at all a fan of that teacher - took my brother and me out of public school and we started homeschool.
I really wish teachers understood that the correct response to that is “yes, but that’s something you’ll be learning later, for now we’re going to not deal with that.” That’s how my Jr high math teacher dealt with me forgetting algebra and attempting to invent calculus because the rate of change seemed the easiest solution to the problem.
That said, I’ve met education students. You’ve got some bright people who really love kids or teaching, but you’ve got plenty of people who never really understood stem subjects. It was a revelation to learn that yeah a lot of grade school teachers don’t get math.
Sometimes teachers repeat a lesson plan over and over, and a small innocuous statement grows in intensity with each retelling and each argument with students as the teacher digs in their heels, until it’s ballooned into something silly. I’ve also heard that suction and centrifugal force are a myth.
OK, I understand that you’re trying to make a point to better my understanding of the material you are currently teaching, but now I’m hung up on this weird thing you said. It usually comes down to something “the language to describe this thing is insufficient when expressed this way” but the way they say it is like “this concept is a lie, full stop, no more thinking.”
Maybe they initially wanted to use more definitive statements to make students listen in class or something.
Yeah, I’ve been on the same page.
Fortunately I haven’t been in a formal classroom setting in years.
Silimar, I had a teacher ask us to write down the first animal that came to mind and I wrote, “wolf spider” because to an 8 year old, there are few more bad ass sounding animals.
She said “really? That’s the First animal you think of?” Eye roll
Me: looks down at doodles of giant spiders battling tanks that shoot lightning, “it’s the only animal I’m thinking of right now…”
I guess compared to the other examples at least she didn’t try and persuade you it wasn’t an animal, just a bit crap at embracing a child’s natural enthusiasm and kind of immediately killing their sense of enquiry by making it in to an experience of being judged.
I had a teacher in 6th grade who told us that God placed the earth the perfect distance from the Sun; a few inches closer and we’d all burn, and a few inches further and we’d all freeze. I got detention for standing on top of my desk and asking why I wasn’t on fire yet.
That kinda shattered my view of teachers being arbiters of knowledge.
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Also, that’s a specious argument because if the Earth wasn’t in the Goldilocks zone it would be a dead planet and we wouldn’t have evolved on it over billions of years to make the observation that it is the right distance from the Sun to harbour life.
The problem isn’t teachers, it’s that religion is a severe mental illness.
he’s out of line but he’s right
I wish teachers like that actually learned from these experiences
Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, “This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!”
- Douglas Adams
“Oh no, not again”
- bowl of petuniasWas that Douglas Adams? I remember Richard Dawkins using that as an example. I always thought it was a really good analogy.
Yes, it was Douglas Adams, first published in The Salmon of Doubt.
The look to which my response is “Oh… I’m sorry I didn’t know about your disability”.
I’m still not totally clear on where the line for plants is, what’s the deal with phytoplankton? Why isn’t brown algae a plant? What are archaea? Also wtf is a species? is there a point in learning biology where things start to make sense again or does in only get muddier from here
That’s suspiciously specific.
Try telling anybody that Humans are animals too and there’s a better than 50% chance they will argue with you about that as well.
Or that we are quite literally apes.
You could see the short circuit in his head when I told my cousin’s husband about how slime mold has something like 13 different sexes, and that birds don’t use x/y but rather z/w.
I listened to a podcast recently about potatoes. The ones in Europe are all one species. They can’t grow variants from seeds because they have 4 chromosomes which means growing from seeds doesn’t give the same variant. They are basically clones. If a variant is lost it cannot be brought back, it’s gone for good.
I never knew how interesting potatoes are!
Lots of crops are like this, like apples! It’s called extreme heterozygosity.
That’s the big word I couldn’t remember. I didn’t know apples were the same but that really makes sense now.
One of the coolest thing about apples imo. All those varieties you love like granny Smith are literally just the same tree grafted over and over again.
We share a common ancestor with mushrooms amd sea horses
if you go back far enough, every living species shares the same ancestor. Or so it would seem.
Removed the annoying text next to her face.
I know right, just horrible to credit someone who created the content you’re viewing.
slaps text over image grabbed from the internet
I are content creator.
So people that make memes aren’t worthy of credit?
You’re obviously someone who looks at memes, or you wouldn’t be in this comment section. Why would you support someone going out of their way to remove that?
Are you saying that if I go to imgflip and spend 10 seconds putting text on an image; that I can… No, that I deserve to put my watermark on it? That my meme is so sacred, and so important, that I should make sure to plug my Instagram on it? Look at me! Look at me! I made a funny everyone! Please acknowledge me!
If someone slaps their name on something that cost them next to zero time, effort, or creativity, then it’s not credit. It’s just a fucking ad.
If you’re talking about advertising their Instagram or whatever it is yes, I think they should be allowed to do that because its only as successful as the meme is.
The creativity of a memes text has always been the most important angle of it so if someone is good at that why would you want someone to go out of their way to remove any credit to them?
If someone is a twitch streamer playing a video game and has a clip circulating based off of something funny they said in game or a skilled play they make in the game they should be credited too and this isn’t really that different. They didn’t create the game, they added a context to it that drove engagement.
The text the person came up with obviously get engagement or it wouldn’t have ended up here. It isn’t like this person made this all with AI or whatever it takes a moderate amount of skill to make a meme engaging enough to end up on obscure sites like Lemmy so why not credit the funny thing the person came up with?
I’m not saying they deserve a fucking award or a parade, but simply not removing their name to give them credit isn’t asking too much. In fact, you’d have to spend 15 seconds or whatever to go out of your way to remove that.
Why?
You think they took that photo?
You know what a meme is, right?
You usually use an image that already exists and add funny or reflective text to it to make it a meme.
They made the meme. By adding the text and putting their handle on it. No reason to go out of your way to remove that.
Yea but they don’t own the rights to the original image so they have no right putting their advertising on it.
You should show them by not engaging with memes at all!
Or that mushrooms aren’t plants.
Mushroom = sex organ of alien invaders
Me when I’m eating that fungussy
Um, ackshully, mushrooms are vegetables!
keep your crockpot ideas out of my biology forum
Then why is the mushroom (that we see) called the fruiting body?
Mushrooms are obviously fruit.
Because eating them turns frogs gay.
mutters to self don’t take the bait
Chill, he’s just being a fun guy!
If you’re serious, I think you’re mistaken who’s making the statement. I’ve had conversations with humanity majors who made comments about mushrooms being plants despite the obvious fact that they don’t photosynthesize. Never mind that they breath oxygen in and release co2.
Mushrooms were considered plants until the 70s, maybe they just had outdated textbooks in school.
Maybe. He’s old enough, but he also gets a lot of his “science” from old scifi novels.
Some plants don’t photosynthesize either (e.g. Orobanchaceae). Its not the photosynthesis that makes the plant
Well if not animals, what are they? Plants? Mushrooms? lmao
Mushrooms are Plants! /s
I’m an animal too
Heretic!
I’m more of a slime mold myself.
You too!?
Can someone explain the memes template/what it is trying to convey.
I get the text, but I am unfamiliar with the meme and what the face it meant to be portraying.
I took it to be another version of this Homelander reaction. Basically a look of disdain and disgust. Spiked with a bit of superiority complex.
This particular image is just doing the rounds now because it’s from a recent Sweeney Todd interview, or whatever her name is.
Sweeney Todd, Demon Barber of Jean Street
You think these people know biology nowadays? Come on now, look around you. If anything, they’re trying to get rid of biology courses in schools
Really they’re trying to get rid of education as a whole in schools.
In the US, yes.
Indeed, especially science that explains reality in any form
I was at a trivia night and a question was, “Apart from humans, what’s the two highest populated species in the animal kingdom?”
Now, I’m not the smartest brain inhabiting a future corpse, but I did do basics in school.
I say to my group, “Maybe plankton? But I don’t know if there’s some technicality over that being a plant or something. If I were to guess, probably ants and then flies.” We agreed and went with that.
NOPE!!!
Cats and dogs apparently!!!
This didn’t even make sense to us if considering just the mammals.
I protested.
The quiz master said “The question is about the animal kingdom.”
“Well, if insects aren’t animals, what are they?”
He dug in his heels, we weren’t getting the points. And to make things even more bizarre, most other teams said cats and/or dogs to get 1 or 2 points.
We found a new trivia night.
I would have guessed ants, but I think they’re just in the top 10? I wonder if humans are even in the top 1000, lol.
Arson out of the question due to rain?
The most annoying part of that is that cats and dogs both eat meat! He thinks there are more cats and dogs than the chickens and cows (etc) we feed them? What demented food web did they teach him in elementary school biology?
Also isn’t there like 12 bazillion chickens per person? No fucking way could it be cats/dogs.
26 billion chickens globally, apparently.
That’s a lot less than I expected.
We probably churn through that amount every six months 🫤 But would they even still exist without us? The existential crisis of the chicken.
Fucker crosses the road gets made kebab.
Thought I’d make a “What is my purpose?” meme
Needed a picture of a chicken to cover the robot…
Welp, no need to make the meme anymore…
looks pretty good ngl
Rats? There are millions and millions of them. They breed rapidly. But, I would’ve assumed it was some type of insect.
Yeah, we had originally thought mice until our brains went exoskeleton.
Edit: That makes it sound like we were so open mind d our brains fell out 🤣
If they’d fallen out you’d probably have gone with cats and dogs like the other brain dead people at that quiz.
If he meant mammals the answer is mice and rats.
Humans aren’t even in the top 10. They’re probably not in the top 100, really.
“What animal breathes through its butt”
I answered sea cucumber. They wanted sea turtle. But we complained and they accepted our answer too :)
im really intrested. what is their answer for if insects were not animals?
They didn’t have one and just doubled down on them not having vertebrae so therefore weren’t part of the animal kingdom.
There might be the nuance that there are many species of ants and flies, though still idk if any one of them outdoes humans, their pets and chickens.
Wikipedia’s page on biomass says that ants can compete with humans in global biomass (though the estimates vary wildly), but there are 15700 species of ants.
Antarctic krill is the safest bet with shittons of them in just one species.
Cats and dogs aren’t even species; they’re vague categories. I tried to find the actual answer to this question, but trying to nail down individual species is proving impossible. Every source is like “copepods” or “ants” like that isn’t incredibly broad. ChatGPT says it’s the Antarctic krill with 5x10^14 individuals. Going from there, the WWF says there’s over 7x10^14 , and Wikipedia only says they’re one of the most abundant species. I’m not going to get an answer to this question, and I’m going to be mildly annoyed about it infrequently for the rest of time.
Krill were my first choice, squids might be up there too, but the word ‘species’ instead of a more broad taxonomic term is a special limit.
Some kind of jellyfish might be a good candidate, but I’d probably go with smaller plankton for sheer numbers (as opposed to biomass).
I know it’s the formatting being goofy, but 7x1014 is a very, very large number.
One of the true Cincinnati Bengals.
people that
people *who
“People that” is fine in informal writing, which a meme certainly qualifies as.
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