many many people are either directly, or indirectly related/responsible for someone’s death.

You want to get philosophical? Every mother and father are both directly responsible for the death of their children - even when that death is natural causes by old age, it wouldn’t have happened if they weren’t born.

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Yea, you know Sir Alec Guinness (the actor that played Obi-Wan) has killed a few people. He wouldnt call WW2 his “best performance” if he didnt take a few baddies out.

I don’t know why, but I read that in Matthew Berry’s voice.

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I’ve always wondered what drives people to such confessions. Not a killing of course, but I once met a dude and like 20 minutes later he was telling me about the literal scams he pulls. Shit like stealing old people’s passwords and whatnot to buy things for himself online. Very unambiguously illegal stuff. There was no context either, no lead up to that conversation. He just pulled the subject to that out of nowhere and started spilling the beans. One minute we were talking about wearing thinner gloves inside thicker gloves to keep our hands extra warm, and the next minute he was telling me how he tricks old people into submitting their email credentials into fake forms that he makes.

I’ve met many people that have killed people. I didn’t think that was all that unusual.

Same here. While no one in my family has ever owned a gun, I can think of at least 3 people I’ve met who have killed someone. One was by a nice woman and was clearly in self-defense.

Same here! Some guy I worked with randomly started telling me about a guy he murdered. He framed it as self-defense, but I’ve always wondered.

I don’t think anyone would say a train operator killed a person. I’d go as far as to say the operator is about as responsible as the passengers.

That has to be one of the worst choices if you must go. I get that we don’t think straight in those moments of our life, but it’s such a horrible thing to force on someone and their conscience…

Not just trains, but all the instances where someone entirely unrelated will be dragged into something so heavy, like truck drivers, too. Hard to live with, can really ruin lives.

Another thing I don’t like is when others that aren’t trained for it like the paramedics or police, have to see the outcome and fallout, such as jumping off a building into a busy street, even at night when nobody’s there just now, but will be. Or hanging yourself from your balcony in an apartment complex.

It fucks up someone to see that, and I have to believe everyone could make the responsible choice of doing it in private or in a way that affects least amount of unrelated people possible. Like going with the helium/nitrogen bag, hanging within the bounds of one’s privacy, if shooting is the way to go, do it perhaps in the woods, somewhere peaceful and remote, and call the paramedics so they’ll be there before any innocent walkers-by, etc.

It’s bad that anyone has to be involved, but at least the professionals have the training to deal with that somehow, even if it will ultimately fuck them up too at least somehow. At least it’s a conscious choice for them to put themselves in the position that they might have to see shit like that. Same for police.

I would strongly encourage messless ways to go, too, because I think the psychological impact of a peacful-seeming exit without blood or injuries has to be the least damaging. It’s never going to be clean and harmless to others, but an exit bag would do a lot of good for everyone eventually involved in the situation.

But I also get that a lot of people in that position may harbor some general hatred and bitterness towards others, which is horrible and I have to think entirely avoidable if the society did its job, so they might even choose to go as publicly and messily as possible just to make a point or something.

But the others have to live with that shit. They keep going. You don’t. The least we can do is try to minimize the trauma and impact we necessarily inflict on others when we do go. We get the peace. We get away. Those others, not so much.

I don’t know how this would be taught other than boldly and empathetically talking about it in school, to make the point repeatedly, like we do with sex education for example. And health education too. We really should talk about these things, so when the time comes one has to leave, the spine reaction would be to do it as kindly as possible, to be considerate in the choice of manner.

I went to high school with at least six. I say “at least” because those are just the four I know about. Two killed people with their car, three went into the military right after graduating and did combat tours. Talking with them afterwards, it was clear they had 100% seen combat and killed people. And the last just straight up shanked a dude at a local fast food place during a drug deal.

This this this. It’s basically impossible to get that rich without having endangered others.