Don’t these stupid bastards have anything else better to do? Guess they have plenty of time to think about…was it worth it?
it’s a shame they weren’t tried as terrorists.
Then deported to El Salvadore
I honestly can’t imagine thinking this is what one wants to do with their time. Like, I accept that I can’t understand this sort of racism and such, but like, even if I was a bigot I can’t imagine deciding that what I’m going to do with one of my afternoons is drive around threatening a child’s birthday party.
But also, it amazes me that white Americans manage to feel aggrieved by black Americans even today. We’re the ones who keep fucking them over not the other way around.
the term is “radicalized” but it’s used so often it’s lost all meaning. I’ll bet good money these fucks were consuming conservative media, eventually one or both of them reached the tipping point where they basically thought they were soldiers in a day-to-day war, they feel emboldened because there are so many like-minded people bubbling up these days, they felt like they had a big community behind them thanks to the parasocial effects of conservative media.
These people obviously didn’t grow up right, but absent today’s fucked up hate pipeline that is conservative (read: almost all) media, I doubt they’d have been radicalized enough to do this.
It does show how right we were over the past decades, warning that latent racism had not ceased but instead was simmering under the surface of Everytown America.
For real turn on a conservative radio station every now and then to hear just completely unhinged bullshit. They jack that retard muscle hard on those stations
Same everywhere, the world is doomed!!!
I think you’ve put the cart before the horse, sorry to yell at clouds but I was raised in a “small town” and I can tell you that racism was rampant long before the media became so invasive (pre-internet).
They’re not trying to influence as much as they are chasing the dollar, they are catering to a big market. These people have always thought they were race warriors, and holy at that.
Well, well, well. If it isn’t the consequences of one’s actions…
“Armed and threatening to kill”
That adds an entirely worse facet to it than the initial text lets on.
that dude knows he is fucked.
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I can’t threaten people with a gun? I thought Trump fixed things”
😢 But I just wanted to be racist…
😭 The woke won’t let me be racist!!!Ah don’t worry, they’ll get a pardon for heroic acts of anti wokeness or something
State charges are not able to be presidentially pardoned, although if it’s a red state the governor may just do it to capitulate.
The woman already got released.
Figures. Yet people are doing twice as much time with no eligibility for early release for fucking weed.
Less people after Biden pardoned hundreds of them.
This may surprise people, but politicians do not have the right to pardon people in most countries.
The way it should be
We really have a stupid system don’t we
Probably soon pardoned by the Oval Office.
Fortunately, it doesn’t have jurisdiction. It was a state offense.
Trump just “pardoned” an Oregon(?) state election official, convicted on state charges of (?)election interference. It’s symbolic, not I fully expect them to try to press that through officially.
I hadn’t heard of the Oregon one. He tried that with an election official in Colorado, too, though. Unsurprisingly, she’s still in prison.
It was Colorado, and it was purely symbolic. If his DOJ were to take this one to the Supreme Court, and SCOTUS rules in favor of the Trump Admin, then the US Constitution, which is currently only wounded (gravely), would be truly dead.
The woman was released in 2020.
Happened in 2017.
“He’s a good man - good man. Plays Shasta with his grandmother. Expert at gun safety. Tops gun safetyman. Loves children. Loves them like hisb own! Hasn’t been a problem until that one left wing Marxist extremist family indoctrinating their children at a local Antifa gathering…”
The big tough alpha MAGA cries when faced with the legal repercussions of his crimes.
Classic. I savor the Schadenfreude as I would the finest steak and lobster.
She definitely took it better than he did.
she got released almost as fast as she got charged, thats why her non-chalant behaviour.
Study those facial expressions very closely. Look at what’s happening here, because this is so indicative of the mindset of racists.
You look at most criminals at their sentencing, you tend to see either resignation, or remorse. There is neither here.
This is shock. This is disbelief. They did monstrous, horrifying things to innocent people, while fully believing that they had an absolute and unquestionable right to do those things.
When a guy robs a gas station, he knows it’s a crime. He’s simply reasoning that committing this crime is better for him than the alternatives. He knows it’s a risk. He knows he will be punished if he is caught.
But these people saw no risk in what they were doing. They believed that the world protect them and celebrate their actions. They believed that it was their right and their imperative to terrorize people of colour.
Yup, those are the faces of finding out. What they did was monstrously evil, threatening to kill kids because they weren’t the white colour. I imagine he’s probably realizing as well that he’s going to be beaten a lot in jail for this. Given the incarceration rate of PoC being higher there’s going to be a welcome for him he’ll regret if they don’t immediately put him into solitary confinement. His life isn’t just ruined, he may very well die in prison.
The woman has fully disassociated at this point, she’s just got the “going through the motions” look of someone who had the worst news of their life handed to them and don’t know how to process it.
The woman is “I’ll get out of this on appeal.”
her prison experience will be a lot different then his.
He’ll probably get a bunch of Nazi tattoos in prison.
The fact that he will essentially now be forced to do that in order to survive prison really is an indictment of the system. How are people supposed to rehabilitate when not joining a gang is likely to get them killed?
I’m not saying this guy is necessarily rehabilitatable, you have to have a particularly brainless mindset to even do this in the first place but in general it should be possible for people to improve in prison, otherwise what’s the point, we might as well go back to public punishment and executions, since that’s effectively what prison has now become. Minimum security prisons are probably closer to the ideal, but that’s obviously not an option for all inmates.
Prison in the USA has always been a punishment, they tried to say “rehabilitation” for a period to change their image and gave up.
Idoubt they found out anything. they are just confronted with the consequences.
Good points. And they aren’t wrong if you look at how the country has changed negatively since Trump brought racism and hatred back.
The notion that Trump brought those things back is part of the exact problem I’m highlighting.
They never went away. America continues to be a deeply racist country, the kind of country that make people like this not only a possibility, but an inevitability.
Sad but true.
brought back is a bit generous, if not naive… he heightened it though for sure; created a permission structure.
Well written and very true.
Hahaaaaa have fun finding out you stupid fucks! Glad they got prison time and the judge wasn’t weak. Fuck ‘em and let ‘em die in shit, where they belong.
They’ll get out on good behavior no doubt, but even half that sentence is a big chunk of time though.
Im getting a 404 from that site
Thanks. 32 mos. Thats what I’d have expected. At least she’s got a record and did multiple years.
That’s disgusting and all, but 15 and 20 years is a little excessive, no? I’m from a country without mass incarceration or private prisons, but you don’t need nearly that much for people to learn their lesson
Did you miss the part at the bottom where they were using guns to threaten them?
15 years is the maximum¹ sentence for murder over here. Armed threats are a serious offense but not to this extent.
¹ you may be kept longer for security reasons if a judge deems you to pose a threat after that time.
murder is cheap I guess. meanwhile being a pedophile rapist that can reveal most politicians and CEOs as also pedophile rapists is a
deathsuicide sentenceFair point, Epstein was taken out. However a disgusting orange blob can also become president of the united state of fascism using that very same information and tactics.
It’s not that “murder is cheap”, it’s that many countries figured out that holding a person indefinitely in prison doesn’t do anything for their rehabilitation, only puts money in the prison’s owner’s pocket.
The point of most European prisons is to get the prisoner to understand and repent their crime, teach them some useful skills, and send them back to be a productive member of society. The point of US prisons is to just eliminate a person from public life in revenge.
Good luck with this one. The American idea of adjudication for crime is so utterly fucked by indoctrination from decades of propaganda for privatized prison systems. It doesn’t matter if you point out that lengthy prison sentences do nothing to serve the public good, that research shows they do essentially nothing in terms of serving as a deterrent, that encouraging rehabilitation and correcting systemic issues that lead to crime would be the thing to truly address these issues. Let alone the systemic issues abound in the American justice system; that enforcement of crimes are disproportionately skewed to impact people of low SES and minority status, that this whole system is a front to enable modern day slavery.
Ultimately these people are just bloodthirsty and this gives them an outlet for that. They are vindictive and want an outlet for revenge fantasies. Just mention sex offenders and see how they become awful right wing weirdos with violent torture fantasies out of a saw movie.
But have you considered: systematic prison violence and rape = funny?
It’s not cruel or unusual if it’s only encouraged, not done, by the state.
The point of US prisons is to just eliminate a person from public life in revenge.
And the legal slavery, dont forget about the legalized slavery. The north may have won our civil war, but the south won the peace.
Murder isnt just cheap in the US, it’s highly prized. They fetishise their military over there. Private companies employ armed guards. Its sick.
Tbf I didn’t see the bottom part until much later.
it’s about sending a message, and protecting the public. not rehabilitation.
this is the core difference between European prisons and US prisons.
I bet people in your country don’t go violently brandishing guns around at children, but if someone did you would probably feel like 15-20 years wasn’t enough.
Combined. Read the article
Put it this way: not only being a direct risk of death to everyone there by pointing a firearm at them but also advocating the death, exile, or enslavement of everyone of the same race.
I’d just add up all the years of the lives they threatened at the party. I wouldn’t even be opposed to hanging them, since they were waving enemy flags.
Imagine being this pro slavery without realizing you’re being pro slavery
I think he and she realize but hard to tell, conservatives are dumb as bricks.
Without any other details, yes, those are absurdly long sentences. Sending a tough message would be like 5 years maybe? Anyone supporting this kind of sentencing deserves a longer prison term than the couple.
I suspect you are still a child yourself, but if you had children, visualize someone waving a gun in their face and threatening to kill them.
You’re lying to someone, or else you are too young to really understand what has taken place here.
I love your argument of “you’re a child” instead of the fact that your superior is correct and you are a bottom of the barrel moron.
15 years for assaulting children seems appropriate.
If you’re an authoritarian fascist lunatic, absolutely.
I was about to say that I don’t think their political beliefs should affect their sentencing. But I guess it does point to the likelihood of recurrence, which should affect the sentencing.
I’m glad I’m not a judge. This sort of decision would keep me up at night.
What a wonderful argument, definitely not fash sounding at all.
I hope you mean the people advocating for long prison sentences for them because if not, you’re the dumbest human being alive.
I just saw your other comment. Lmao it is a new one that you bottom of the barrel worthless dumbfuck fake leftists would call your moral and intellectual superior a fascist for advocating for less prison time.
Lawl, banned!
In America prisoners get lots of time off their sentences for good behavior. He could be out in 8-10 years if he doesn’t get in trouble in prison.
They threatened children with guns.
Yeah, this wasn’t idle threatening behavior. This is the kind of behavior that if the police were involved would shoot the PoC on the spot.
Edit: There is no reasoning with Americans on this topic. It makes me sad. What a shithole country
Lol cry about it shitwit
edit: actually this does not refer to who you were referring to. He seems more like your typical Usian liberal.
If I had to place a bet, I would replace “Americans” with “Russian Trolls”. You look at this guy’s account, all he does is stir up shit. I honestly have trouble believing that anyone in the USA has the time to sit and troll all day. That requires a wage, such as they exist in St. Petersburg.
No.
They were waving around guns. That is assault by threatening someone’s life. Also complete disregard for public safety. It is a felony just brandishing a gun when not threatened yourself.
Even still if there’s no other record of violent behavior I imagine barring them from firearm possession, 5 years in prison, and 5 years probation would do the trick.
All punitive justice is good for is giving more slaves to the prison complex. Rehabilitation is better for everyone. It’s not only cheaper but also creates better (ie safer) outcomes for society.
After 20 years what will they even have to live for anymore? This is why people re-offend.
You’re correct, but anyone from the US, whether they’re on the furthest right or the furthest left, is going to have an incredibly hard time understanding why. Their country is deeply indoctrinated with this notion that anything less than the death penalty is basically a slap on the wrist, and even the progressive segments of their populace have mostly failed to ever meaningfully address or deconstruct this sentiment. Left/right disagreements over justice in the US tend to look more like disagreements over which things you should get put in prison for life for, rather than positing that such extensive prison terms being normal across the board might not be healthy for a society.
What this couple did is horrific, and it deserves a very serious penalty, and the problem then becomes that because the bar for “Very serious penalty” is set at “Spend most of your life in prison”, arguing for anything less than that feels like siding with these monsters against their victims.
I’m an American though, and many of my friends agree with me on the topic of prison reform
American here as well. Prison reform is needed, it’s modern slavery. But these people are Nazis and I do feel no remorse being intolerant of their actions in society. Rehabilitation or exile I do think are appropriate ways forward. It’s not the people that aren’t reasonable, it’s our laws and two tiered justice system.
See, this is an excellent example of the point I just made.
Even when people say “I want prison reform” they inevitably always have some kind of carve out for “Except in the case of X.”
Which means you don’t actually have a problem with the current system. You just have a problem with who it gets applied to.
This isn’t an example of that. My alternatives were rehabilitation or exile, which I suppose could be argued isn’t reform as we’ve exiled people as punishment for like as long as we’ve been people, but I’m really having a hard time seeing how I said “except in the case of x” I said you should be mean to Nazis, not lock them up for life.
I never said to tolerate their actions. I said the punishment does not fit the crime and better serves feeding the prison system slaves.
Some people take the idea of not tolerating intolerance to mean we ourselves must become the fascists. I reject that. We don’t have to go high when they go low but we certainly shouldn’t go lower when they go low.
Now of course big fucking astrix for our current situation. Revolution is starting to look like our only way out of the current administration.
But on the topic of prison reform that’s a bit different.
Also exile is just a terrible idea, and it’s a very antiquated one. Arguably the way it was presented was just an extension of colonialist/imperialist ideal. “Hello poor nation we’ve decided to ship you our undesirables. Good luck with that”
Sorry I didn’t mean to imply that you were tolerating their actions lol. I agree that the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.
My idea of exile, just a thought in my head, would be that it would be a choice to go through rehabilitation or leave society. If a person refuses to stop being intolerant, what is the solution? They can refuse treatment, act in bad faith, and I don’t think forcing compliance ever helped anything. So what do we do?
I get that exile is kind of a terrible antiquated idea, but if we cannot tolerate intolerance and the offender refuses to change what is the solution?
Are you claiming that actually everyone in America agrees with you on this point, or are you simply agreeing with me, in a very roundabout way, that talking to Americans about prison reform is incredibly difficult and that you and your friends represent the rare exceptions?
but anyone from the US, whether they’re on the furthest right or the furthest left, is going to have an incredibly hard time understanding why
Your comment made it sound like you believed no American would agree with prison reform.
I thought this was amusing since you were replying to an American that at least associates with many that agree with me on prison reform.
To make the argument more direct I’d say you’ll find a lot of Americans on the left that want a reform of our justice system
We don’t have a system of rehabilitative justice and we’re not going to start having one any time soon, so the options available to us for dealing with these shitbags are either lock them up or let them keep doing what they’re doing, I think preferring option 1 is extremely reasonable
Well no, you could have given them a more reasonable sentence.
By putting them in prison for 20 years you’re basically garunteeing they commit more crime when they get out. Congrats you’ve made society less safe.
Cool story, but as I said our reality is unfortunately limited to two shitty options and your idea isn’t one of them
Unfortunately my original idea working within the system was ban on firearm ownership, 5 years prison, and 5 years probation.
Plenty punitive, but at least gives them a chance of reforming a life afterwards. Works completely fine without giving in to your false dichotomy
Honestly why are you even from .ml?
Also in case you’re confused when I said rehabilitative justice is better that was entirely separate from my suggested sentence
There’s no reforming from being a racist shitbag that threatens kids with guns. He can rot in prison for 50 years for all I care.
If we had anything resembling a reliable system for rehabilitation of violent ideologues in this country your plan would be a good one, but we don’t so it isn’t. Not a false dichotomy, just one you don’t like. I’m on ML because communism is the future, the present is dogshit and our options are dogshit.
Good point, people like this just need to be put in prison for life or exiled. They can choose. But if they choose exile we’re sending them to somewhere in Africa, not Europe. And branding them with a confederate flag, on their forehead, like you do with Nazis.
God your persecution fetish is weird. You would’ve vibed with the Puritans
I’m ok with being called puritanical if the alternative is defending dangerously violent racist scumbags who never progressed past middle school mentally.
You forgot the real option. Which is supporting reasonable sentences focused on rehabilitation.
There are very few offenses where a human deserves to be locked up for 20 years.
Also let’s not pretend you wanted to imprison them indefinitely. You wanted to deport them, mutilate them, and dump them on a poor nation. You either didn’t care or think about whether or not these African nations want our criminals, but what they think doesn’t matter right? As long as you hurt the right people?
That’s not even getting into the American centrism that assumes people in Africa know all about the American civil war
Woof you’ve gone wellll off the deep end in this conversation. Bye.
Those kids will never feel safe walking around. Every time someone raises their voice, they have to wonder, “Was this directed at me? Am I going to die?” They will look at their skin and wonder what they did to deserve this. The hate. The threat of violence. At a birthday, where people celebrate.
This trauma lasts longer than their prison sentence.
Source: me.
Yeah I’m not opposed to some involuntary rehabilitation given that they were threatening their victims with firearms, but 15 years is insane.
armred robbery, threatening to kill are all felonies they carry heftier sentences. the woman was later released early, like within the few months of being charged.
If someone waved a gun at my kid and threatened to kill him, I’d want that person incarcerated for at least 15 years.
My kid has a right to feel safe around his own home / neighborhood. Nobody has the right to make him feel like his life is in direct danger from them, just for being outdoors.
“next they’re gonna say assault with a deadly weapons is a ‘class 2 felony’” - some racist probably idk
Hell yea. Gotta make the racists afraid again.
