Another take on this :Trump watched as girl’s newborn was murdered & dumped in lake, Epstein document says
Don’t take this as a defense of him, but rather a statement that there are better, more credible arguments to push. From what I can gather the entirety of the evidence “linking” is a phone call making the claim. It’s not even clear the baby was real at all. If it’s true, this isn’t evidence enough, and is effectively a red herring and a self made straw man. Don’t take the bait, use better arguments.
That was my thought too. There’s plenty of stuff we can prove, let’s focus on that. This one is egregious but it’s better to point to the ones with more evidence, we have plenty of those to choose from.
Where’s the pizzagate folks when you need them?
One I know is basically saying it’s pointless. That neither side will be happy with the results and tries to say he cares about “all the other stuff going wrong”. One example he’s currently focusing on… the 2020 election. Apparently the Fulton County issue that just popped up recently is proof the entire election was rigged.
Well let’s see if we can motivate this guy into getting back into to pizzagate. He’s right that neither side will be happy - and that’s cause there are gross people in power from the full political spectrum and across many kinds of busineses. But this may be an issue where politics should be fully set aside.
Qanon/pizzagate was never about protecting children or actually getting justice for people being trafficked.
It was a self-inserted live-action role-playing adventure where anyone with unemployment checks and a couple guns could dress up in their tactical gear and start piecing together word puzzles in their basements so they can go feel like they’re doing something meaningful with their lives and avoid the crushing reality that they’re just uneducated, unqualified normal-ass people who are just as vulnerable to the whims of tyrants and criminals in power as the rest of us.
What’s a more noble thing to be fanatical about than rescuing children? Surely, everyone would praise such a worthy crusade and the amount of respect and adoration you would get for rescuing children would make mom stop telling you to get a job, right?
When the actual sex-trafficking, child-murdering cabal came into light, it stopped being fun. It’s too big, too confusing, too many high-profile people involved and the average person can’t unlock any secrets or clues that will make them a hero.
Not to mention, most of the Q-anon chuds were themselves trump-voting pedophiles, a lot of those fuckers were just overcompensating for their own proclivities.
I talked to him for about 20 or 30 minutes about my being sex trafficked by my uncle and Jeffrey Epstein in 1984 while I was 13 and [pregnant] …
Hmm, this really pushes the timeline of the Trump-Epstein friendship back some years. In this 2002 New York Magazine interview, he says that he’s known Epstein for 15 years (circa. 1987). But this murder happened in 1984, how long had they actually known each other?
This happened before he met Ghislaine and well before all documented abuse victims.
Nothing seems credible. They waited almost 40 years, right before the 2020 election, to say something. And take no efforts to gather corroborating evidence.
They waited almost 40 years
This should never be a convincing factor for you. Indeed, this is NORMAL HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. I think that people who make a big deal about it are perfectly aware of that, too.
Ehh, we don’t know because where is that 20 minute conversation she had with a detective documented? Also, if the intention was to harm Trump’s image or whatnot, wouldn’t a media circus be where to go with the story?
So much for the party of pro-life
It’s okay; he was a Democrat back then.
Half this fucking country believes raping children and murdering newborn babies is okay as long as a republican is doing it.
There is no justice.
They made sure of that.
All there can ever even POSSIBLY be now is vengeance.
All it will take is the right people in the right places doing the right thing just ONCE for each of them.
But I know better than to hope.
They don’t believe the witnesses or the “liberal media”, and we’ve all heard “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” since we were tykes.
But let’s say you’re right: less than 30% of voters are R (or D), so less than a third are pro rape and pro murder. NOT TOO SHABBY, see there’s always a silver lining.
I hope you forgot the /s
Is it just an unfounded report by a single person with no evidence? I bet the fbi got a bunch of crazy shit reported.
If there’s any evidence of this being true let’s see it.
The files also contain two other reports about Trump abusing girls, made literally one week before the 2020 election. No corroborating evidence.
Yeah, let’s ask the person to testify in court. We’ll charge Trump with conspiracy to commit murder and then we’ll have them testify and a jury can decide if he’s guilty. Just like everyone else in this country should have to face.
It’s hearsay at best as-is. Compile some evidence first otherwise it would be dismissed.
Compile in some kind of FBI file?
Gosh, we should really get on that.
It’s not just hearsay when its in the context of everything we know about Epstein, Trump, and how they’ve been named together in previous, similar case(s).
Top legal minds of Lemmy are in this thread today.
Nah man, just not an idiot. Maybe in a vacuum this would be hearsay, but it’s not in a vacuum is it
That’s not how it would work even for an ordinary person. This is an accusation about something rather far-fetched happening 35 years before the accusation was made, with no evidence for it except the accusation itself. It wouldn’t lead to criminal charges.
you don’t know when they first contacted the police or FBI. also you have no idea what evidence was collected. your acting like you know something. you don’t. yet all we can see is that is was an accusation, but claiming you know when the accusation was made or what investigations have been done is pure bullshit, so kindly shove that back up your ass where you got it from.
THAT piece of paper is evidence.
It’s not evidence of a crime. It’s a report. Someone said it, it got written down.
I’m not saying it is or it is not true.
It’s likely one of many reasons Trump is so anti-FBI in his first term, train his followers to think they can’t be trusted.
That’s not what the Epstein files are. They’re literally any paperwork related to him, even the tips from kooks. Some reaches the level of evidence, most is cruft.
This “paperwork” suggests that TRUMP murdered a newborn and dumped it into a lake after having SEX with a CHILD.
Are YOU suggesting that we treat it as gossip or should we look a bit closer???
I’m saying an accusation can be made by anyone, and does not automatically constitute fact. Its presence in the file doesn’t mean the claim was substantiated.
This accusation was not made by “anyone”. It was made by the woman who watched him murder her newborn.
Why would she say that? Money? Fame? Power? She currently HAS none of that.
The report was made a couple months before the 2020 election. Many others also made wild reports. I saw two others in the Epstein files made literally 6 days for the election.
There are plenty of reasons to make up a story.
But sure, they should go and investigate it. Starting with the woman and her uncle. Oh wait, I bet the uncle is dead. And I bet she took great effort to gather evidence… right…?
There are plenty of reasons to make up a story.
Like being targeted for harassment and possibly get murdered? This is not a typical rape accusation, it is made against someone who has been carrying out extra-judicial murders abroad.
And I bet she took great effort to gather evidence
This is classic rape apologetics. It is not the victim’s job to collect evidence while they are distressed, that’s the job of the investigators.
To shift blame? For attention? Mental illness? We don’t know enough of the context. Was it investigated? What was the outcome? Was it deemed credible?
Credible enough to remain in the files.
There’s another report in the files where a woman did report her rape to the police and she was later found dead with her “head blown off”. Under a functional justice system that would be thoroughly investigated, under our system it was quickly ruled a suicide because she took “bad cocaine”.
These papers are being released because our justice system did not protect these victims. It is up to the public to ask questions and we need not presume innocence of the powerful as they failed to protect the vulnerable.
It seems the Q folks were right about the “satanic levels of evil”, except it was their people doing it.
Every accusation really is an admission of guilt with these people. They’re that uncreative and boring, all they can do state what’s happening and blame it on their perceived enemies.
Yeah but what about that time when Obama wore a tan suit?
And wasn’t there a major commotion about mustard at one point?
Djion-gate! Fancy president isn’t a man of the people!
And raped the mom who was also 13 and pregnant. WTF!!! Get him! Knowing all this they let him be president??? Who? Get them too! WTF! Its Christian Eve! Let us be alone for at Least a day! I don’t want to know more and just sit here and pretend that my vote is of any consequence. I want the electoral college gone, the whole bunch of rats out and justice for everyone hurt. Dang. I don’t know what even to do. I gotta work all day every day and he gets to do all that and be president and pester other nations in our name! WTF! Get him out!
Yeah because it’s a systemic issue. It’s not just a few bad apples, it’s the entire way we let people have power and authority over other people. It’s about how we fetishize and idealize youth, and how we use patriarchy and violence to control people. We will just keep seeing this happen, again and again and again and again, until we either accept that humans should all be equal and free with no power over eachother, or until we go extinct.
So much this. History is full of this heinous shit. Who were we to think humanity had changed?
Not too keen on polluting the lake further, but…
Drop him into Lake Superior. Can’t pollute the lake if the body can’t decompose, which they can’t at the bottom of Lake Superior
The lake it is said never gives up her dead.
Yeah, but then he’s just … Down there. Poor lake doesn’t deserve that.
Down there touching our Earth too! 🤢
The fish would swim away when they see and smell the cheeseburgers seeping out.
Adrenochrome?
Family values…
Incest is best
/s
If anyone else was linked or even hinted at being linked to something like this, they’d be in prison before you could say howdy there.
And if it was a dem, republicans wouldn’t stop crying about that for years.
We’re still hearing about hunter bidens laptop. I’m surprised they finally shut up about Obamas tan suit.
Buttery males too.
STARBUCKS WHILE SALUTING AND MARINE HOLDING THE UMBRELLA!
But baby murder and raping 13-yo is fine if it’s Trump. Ffs
Tan suit.
He put his feet on the desk.
He likes Dijon mustard.
And now I’m making a sandwich JUST for the Dijon mustard.
There’s (grey) POUPON everything!
And he likes arugula!
I mean, neither would I. They’d be pretty justified in that scenario.
Well yeah obviously; don’t you know that as long as it’s a REPUBLICAN who is raping pregnant children and murdering newborn infants, that’s what makes it okay?
APPARENTLY??? SOMEHOW???
They’d break their fingers clutching their pearls.
Decades.
The man who demonizes innocent trans peoples as a threat to society is literally a child murderer.
And pedophile sex trafficker and serial rapist.
That’s not true. You need credible evidence that something illegal happened. An uncorroborated report almost 40 years after the incident, made just weeks before the 2020 election is not credible or useful for prosecution.
I try to live my life so if anyone claimed i murdered babies people would react with incredulity, not guillotine images.
Nobody wants him locked up now who didn’t want him locked up before this report was released.
Not true, there are dozens of people who changed their mind, dozens!
It’s like each newly revealed crime against humanity can only permanently lose him a single maga influencer or high profile republican.
And I wish it weren’t so, but I bet he has enough in his history to lose them all.
Unfortunately the lesson that needs to be learned, that trumpers shouldn’t just move on to supporting Vance doing the same evil shit but without the rap sheet and the dementia, probably isn’t going to happen.
This is 100% true because Trump would definitely do this. I don’t need to see any further evidence, thank you, lock him up.
