• [object Object]@lemmy.world
      7·
      3 days ago

      The three that are not punk itself. Emo and goth both came out of punk, and ska was fused with punk by the time of two-tone.

        • Katrisia@lemmy.today
          9·
          2 days ago

          Basically, some people started incorporating gloomy aspects to punk aesthetics and music. Gloomy aspects from literature, film, tropes. Some were looking to express similar political sentiments but in a more metaphorical way, I suppose; that’s my impression, that there was an added element of artistry/artsy there. Some were looking to add also subjective themes (madness, unlove, etc.). Example (Bauhaus - In the Flat Field).

          This gave us post-punk and similar sounds in the very late 70s and mostly early 80s. You probably know some bands that were influential. Example. (The Cure - The Hanging Garden).

          Anyway, the mohawk grew longer, blacker. Still teased, often shaved, but creepier. The leyering in clothing also became blacker or creepier (transparent layers, protagonism of the net layers). Theatrical and extravagant outfits emerged, inspired by the decade’s fashion too. Example in music video A. (Alien Sex Fiend - R.I.P.).
          Example in music video B. (Specimen - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang)

          Famously, the night club called “The Batcave” started reuniting bands and listeners, and in the 80s many countries had similar venues. A little more aggressive or punkier sound persisted with a genre called deathrock. There was now post-punk, deathrock, goth rock, darkwave (inspired by the synth-driven genres of the 80s), etc. Example A. (The Sisters of Mercy - Lucretia my Reflection)
          Example B. (The Frozen Autumn - Is Everything Real?).

          The subculture was consolidated around these genres, and then the name “Goth” stayed, and then more communication and inspiration… And nowadays social media keeps many things alive through teachings in video and, I guess, text, like this one. Why? In part, because [context] a person that is new to all this world is called a “baby bat” and [/context] most Goths are protective and integrating of baby bats.

          And that’s it. There was a good deathrock revival in the late 00s and early 10s. Example. (Cinema Strange - I Remember Tendon Water). And today there’s an obsession to bring back the original elements but it’s all still very different (and often cliched, which I don’t like, personally).

          Here’s some Goth music from ‘recent’ years. (Lebanon Hanover - Gallowdance).
          Another one. (Boy Harsher - Fate).
          And another one. (The Cemetery Girlz - Broken Teeth)

          More knowledgeable Goths, correct or add as needed…

      • defunct_punk@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        Yeah, after commenting that I considered that what some people consider goth is actually post-punk (the punk connection should be obvious), but then remembered goth rock exists obviously does not come from punk. Ska and emo though for sure, emo by ways of post-hardcore, by ways of hardcore, by ways of protopunk and you’ve already covered the ska lineage

        • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
          3·
          2 days ago

          My understanding is punk came about at least in part of the first wave of ska, not the other way around.

          Though I could be mistaken.

          • [object Object]@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            I can’t claim deep familiarity with that era, but I’ve never heard of punk being derived from ska. Garage rock, Velvet Underground, The Stooges were the progenitors of punk, and in neither those nor Ramones, New York Dolls, Suicide, or Sex Pistols can I hear any traces of ska. It’s rather that these bands, Ramones in particular, were returning to raw energy of rock-n-roll and garage rock, against the fancy glam-rock.

            Ska, reggae and dub certainly influenced post-punk, and in turn punk influenced the second wave of ska, both emerging almost simultaneously around '78-79.

            • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
              1·
              2 days ago

              Anyone feel to correct me if k get any of this wrong, but punk as a genre evolved primarily in a cosmopolitan London ( unsure how much other English cities contributed - someone else can comment) where working class locals and immigrants from countries from across the British empire that had immigrated to London brought their local music with them - first wave aka, reggae, rock and roll, dub(?) all influenced young working class londoners and influenced the development of punk which was firmly rooted in class consciousness, a diy ethos, and rebellion against the rigid classist system of post war England.

              Everything you’re talking about came later.

              You might not necessarily hear the musical influence of some of these genres in the first punk bands that became well known, but the cultural impact of fans of these genres of music was integral to the development of a punk rock ethos that embraced working class solidarity, rebellion against authority, and diy.

              • [object Object]@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 days ago

                The New York CBGB scene preceded the London scene, from what I can tell, and there was also the Cleveland scene. Punk seems to have been imported to London from NY by Malcolm McLaren, band manager and store owner, rather than working-class folks. Dunno who played punk in the UK before Sex Pistols.

                UK punk was of course influenced by the rude boy and skinhead subcultures, but I don’t think that manifested musically. Pure punk-rock doesn’t quite have any of ska’s danceable quality that can’t be traced to rock’n’roll and garage rock instead.

  • Album@lemmy.ca
    1164·
    3 days ago

    Pop: world is broken let’s ignore it

    R&b: world is broken let’s smash

    D&b: world is broken let’s dance

        • sem@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          6·
          2 days ago

          Shoegaze:

          T̵̡̫̣̫̗̝̪̄̏͑̌̌͛̾h̷̲̻̯̬̲͓͛͆̌̍̂͊̍́̽̌̍̈̚͠͝ĕ̴̢̢̻͉̬̗̦͉̼̻̮͌̐̿͒̈̽͑́͆ͅ ̸͕͈̩̖̙͙̮̺͗̈͆̔́́̊̐͜͜w̶̡̨̢̹͇̳̗͓̔̀͛̌́̓̈͋ó̴̡̧̤͕̻͎̗͙̰̤̗̮̗͎̦̾r̴̘͇̐̎̽̇̋͛͝͠ľ̵̢̡̧̳͈̬̟͎͚̩̳̳̈́͗͑͌͋́̀̀͑͜͜d̴̨̡̨̙̲͖͉͇͙͚̦̫̞̄̊̚ ̸̡̡̝̯̮͕͚͓̆̽̇͐͊̊ǐ̷̢̙̪̝̝͉̩̳̜̯͎̋͛̀̎́͜s̴̖̣̰̞̣̼̎͌͐̇̐̆͛͛͝͠͝ ̵̧̗̳̅͋b̶̨̩̫͖̥̺͚̝͈̫͚̈̎̀̿́̾̆r̷̨͎͉͔̫̝̫̯͚̤͚̻̼͚̦̒̈̑̈́̐͗̍͋̊͠ọ̸͕̱̥͓̞̩̼̲͈̲̺̹̜̻̃̈̈́̔̑͂̀̅̀k̶̏̎͜ȩ̴̻͍͔̬̦̟̼̌̂̇̈́͘͝n̵̳̫̱̤̪̮̫͑̊́̀,̴̡̼̻͛
          ̶̡̬̝̠͈̱͓͈̝̮̹̫̗͂̈́̀͗͑͋̒b̸̮̲̈́̉̄̈ŗ̷̡̛̳̻̇̔̌̇̍̄̀̍̄͗́ớ̴̧̡͇̭͉͍̜͑̓̏̇́̊̐̽̓̅͘͝ͅǩ̸̡͓̮̺̻̙̳̟̺̥̘̦͉̂͂̅͋̾́̂̊͆͝è̵̜͈̦̤̙̠̱̯̊̀̉̉͆̏̿͛̌̐̚͝n̵̢̛͓̦̪̬̻̖̥̔͐́̍̍͗̈́̊̔̃̋̒͠ņ̸̛̜̠͇̭̩̰̒͑̀̈̎̉̀͂ͅn̶͙̫͕͖͚͍̝͔͗̓̈́̐ṉ̶̞̪̪̲̖̻̪̩̘͓̞̤̆̆͒͑̏̃̋͆͊̌̑͠ͅͅṉ̶̡̡̙͖͙̓͒̓̅͘͜n̴̡̖̞͖̏̈̇͐̊̈̌̅̏̀͛͘͝ņ̷̡̹̼̟̼̜̼̪̗͇̺́͐̑͝ͅn̸̖͉̬͗̌͊̈́̈́̍̕n̵͓̳̫͖͔̯͐͗̈́̿̆̐̓̀͐͋̾͝ņ̴͚̭̣̫̺͈̗̜̞̼̥͉̃̌̈̓̾͠,̴̫͇̉́͒̈́͑̐͝͝
          ̸̛̺̣̪́́̒͊̀̍̎̑͛̌͘͜Ț̸̨͈̯̲͓̻̜̳̤̻̝͉̱̺͑͆̈́̐̃̎h̸̛̠͔͉̜͈͍̺͚̙͔͍̩̘̀͋͐͋͜͝e̴̡̛̩͙̼̘̲͙̙̩̽̄̈́̆͂͆̊̇́͜ ̵̭͕̭̈́ẇ̷̱͛́̌ȏ̶̡͈̟̮̙̫̲̦͚͈̩̙̾͂̊̿̀͜͜r̴̞̪̯̓̒̇͗̑͌͂͘͘l̷͕̪̖̦͔̯͖̉̾̑̄̈́͂̑̂͌̒͛̆͊͜d̴̛̪̙̐̋͆͛̊̄̀̿̽͠ ̸̪̹̦̺̘̦̌̃̏̿̿́̍̃̀̓͆̕͝͠ï̶̜̭͒͒̈͋̍̂̍̃͛̉͂́͘s̷͎̲̰̕ ̶̰̐͗̽̊̌̃͌̄̓͆͜͝ͅb̴̟̠͉̺̖͇͎͗̀r̸̻̥̺͉̩͎̯͕̪͍̝͈̦͋̃͊̒̔̃ͅỏ̶̡̤̦̦̃͌̄̃̔̈́͛̇͊̊̀͘͝ḳ̵̨̹̫̘̙͚̬̥̗̱͕̩̙̕ͅé̵̝͜͝͠n̴͇̲̽̀̀́̐̈,̷̝͙͍͐̀͋̌̽̀̔͒
          ̴̢͍̺̟̙̮̟͍͈̮̿̏͑̈́̒͑͗̍̄͐̉͘͠͝B̸̡̧̖͕̙͓̩͎͋̓͛̿͑͒̅̎̆͝u̸̥̣̜̫̘͖͈̥̗̽͋͐̿̉͌̀͂̕t̴̢͍̯̰̭̪̝̭̤̆̊̈́̽͌͒͊̈́̅͒̾̈́͝ ̵̥̮̦̝͚͓͍̈́̿̊̆̈͆̏Ḯ̷̡̳̻̼͉̒̀͐̅̀̽̎̈̄̍͘’̷͔͓͖̮̺͓̘͇̟̺̫̀͊̀͌̈̃̔͋͐̈̑͝ͅm̸̨̹̱̘͊͒̓̓̍͛͗̌͜͠͝ ̴̧̧̝̳̗̞̼̇̾̌͘͝ͅă̷̙͚̔́͘l̶̻̆̈́̒̽́͘͜͠r̸̡̹͉̙͙̖̟͉̣̀̂̀̿̃̆̉̽͝i̶̗̮̭̖̗̓́̿͑̚͠͠͝g̸̨̡͈̥͎̹͎͚̺͑̇̆̄́̒͜ḧ̶̯̞́͂͠t̶̨̧̢̜̩̮͉̦͉̦͒̈́͑̀͑̐̈́̇́͊́͛̕͝,̸͕͙̱́̍̒͗̇̈́̈́͠

        • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
          40·
          3 days ago

          folk metal: the world is broken, as foretold from by the Ancient Ones whom we celebrate with gut-wrenching melancholy

    • TootSweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      3 days ago

      Weirdcore: World is broken so I’ve been slamming Monster energy drinks for 48 hours straight and now I’m delirious and hallucinating the nineties.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      20 hours ago

      Pop: I have a crush on a boy. World broken? Sorry, um… I don’t follow the news.

      Gangsta Rap: I’m the king of this 'hood, and don’t give a shit about anything happening outside of it.

      Country: My truck is my whole world, and the world is broken.

      Classical: I will describe the great forces at play that are breaking the world using music.

    • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
      201·
      3 days ago

      In the cracks left behind where plants can still grow

      A good kiss

      Your baby’s words

      Lots of beauty to find, plenty of life to live

  • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
    12·
    2 days ago

    Damn, I didn’t realize I was ska until just now. I in fact have a trumpet and a coronet. And the first live show I ever got high at was Skankin Pickle touring Skafunkrastapunk. Somehow completely unrelated I ended up with their bass drum kick pedal about a year and a half later. I don’t even listen to ska though. But the attitude is all mine!

  • FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
    5·
    2 days ago

    Just different stages of grief. The world is broken. Maybe we can fix some parts of it but nobody is going to singlehandedly fix everything. Trying to fix it is the bargaining stage of grief. Being upset that you can’t do anything is the depression stage. Embracing it is the acceptance stage. Can’t change the world but we can change our attitude.

  • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
    20·
    3 days ago

    Nu metal is bipolar. Its either “the world is broken but ignore it with the help of a song that has no right to be this groovy” or “the world is broken and thats why im setting the whole fucking place on fire including myself”

      • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        Uhh thats kinda hard to answer cause nobodys gonna be happy with it. Nu metal is a kind of contraversial genre because nobody agrees on what it is exactly and every artist seems to say that theyre not actually nu metal. My top five would be Korn, deftones, limp bizkit, slipknot, system of a down. The most famous is probably linkin park which you definitely know but they are kinda their own seperate entity. Rage against the machine is also kinda seperate tho still kinda nu metal. As for songs i recommend to get s feeling for the genre: Freak on a leash, blind, break stuff, change, be quiet and drive, aerials and eyeless.