And, if you can, pull their masks off. The mofos know why they’re hiding. Also, try shaming them if you get within earshot, they aren’t all complete psychopaths.
Taking physical action against anyone armed with an assault rifle is terrible advice
If you’ve already made the decision to not fully comply with them when they are trying to do something like remove you from a vehicle, or cuff you, maybe an attempt to lower the mask wouldn’t add anything to whatever they think they’re going to try and charge you with.
Definitely not arguing that. By all means, if you’re being carted away by a masked Nazi, do whatever you can to defend yourself, but I’m not sure that’s what the poster is suggesting 🤷
Oh, ya I could only imagine the shit storm if you just walked up to one and tried to lower it. That would be an easy assault charge against you, but I imagine that’s going to be the least of your worries if you tried.
Yeah I’m sure assaulting the armed dudes itching for an excuse to murder just to pull their mask down a little bit would be worth getting perforated with bullets.
Or he could fucking prosecute them now…
I had a lot of hopes for Walz until he was in a position to actually do something. It makes sense now why the neoliberals threw him with Kamala.
Please explain what you’d like him to do and how he’d do it legally
He can call the National Guard to remove ICE by force, states still have power.
Cheeto Mussolini would just federalize them. Don’t know if he can legally do that, but laws don’t matter anymore, it seems.
I think his hands are a somewhat tied, but his call to action is pretty weak. I wish anyone would just call this evil Nazi shit what it is.
He absolutely cannot do that show me where states have that power to just unilaterally expel federal agents by force
Edit: here’s what states can do which is sue about it under the 10th amendment but they cannot just use the national guard to expel ice agents
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/14/us/minnesota-illinois-lawsuits-tenth-amendment
I am a strong advocate that every state with a ICE invasion should dispatch their National Guard, 1:1 for each Federal agent in their state, with orders to simply observe and take body cam footage. Rent rooms in the hotel next door, track their cars with all their fancy surveillance equipment, track all the doors they knock down (and ask them for their warrants).
I think we will see a marked behavior shift in ICE if they realize that everything they do is being watched and recorded for posterity.
Fair point, but I’ll take empty posturing that people might run further with than Walz actually wants them to over stuff like
- Mayor Jacob Frey Says ‘I Do Not Support Abolishing ICE’ After Telling Agents to ‘Get the F*ck Out of Minneapolis’ (arc)
and
It indicative of the belief that people work for government officials…
Like. Step back and think for a second about all the fucking police resources a city has, all the surveillance and shit that goes on.
If he wanted to gather information on who ICE is, he has avenues to identify them besides asking residents to follow them around with cameras knowing full and well that gets people attacked by ICE.
If Walz was still a highschool football coach and saying this, I’d give him props.
But he’s a fucking governor…
He’s better than Jeffries and Schumer, but that’s not enough for a mayor these days, let alone someone running an entire fucking state. Bunch of words and zero action just like Newspm and Pritzker. If shit was fine they could be decent leaders, but they’ve shown time and time again they won’t take any actual action when we’re being murdered in their states by federal agents.
They don’t have the fight in them, so we can’t afford to let them be leaders during a fight.
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Like, he can just have cops follow ICE and document with their body cams or even a dude with a camera. That would be much better evidence later. And they could actually intervene when ICE breaks the law.
He can use stingrays to ping their phones as the roll out of where they deploy from
He can have cops detain them
There are so many more options a state has to stop federal overreach and abuses than random citizens can.
Walz ain’t asking us to help. He’s telling us he won’t do shit and it’s on us
And if that’s what he wants to do, he can get the fuck out of the way and let someone else lead while he follows
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Yeah. I’d like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility.
“Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we’ll get you there. You’ll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to ‘protect you’. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility”
Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have.
I was interested in him initially, because he appealed to old white men in some ways, until I saw that debate. Deer in the headlights.
He needs to gather good evidence before getting indictments. See how some of the most egregious prosecutorial overreaches of the Trump administration have been sidelined by grand juries who don’t indict. That is one institution where the local processes haven’t been infected by Trumpism. Minnesota prosecutors need to play by the rules, because at least for the time being, the rules are on their side.
I’m not ready to write him off yet. He’s walking a knife edge right now, and has to be careful. If he deploys the National Guard, or even the police, he’s kicking off a Civil War, and that will give Trump all the rationalization he needs to invoke the Insurrection Act, or even Martial Law. Walz knows we have to keep a lid on things and stay totally on the side of Constitutional law, until after the Midterms.
I’m still holding out hope that he has a plan once he’s done with being governor. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run for president.
until after the Midterms
Are we still pretending we’re having those? Trump isn’t.
https://time.com/7346834/trump-canceling-midterm-elections-joking-white-house/
Pedo hitler can say whatever he wants, but the states run their own elections. If my state suspends elections I will bring a lawsuit for violation of my right to vote.
I think you’ll have bigger issues at that point
If elections are canceled that will be the biggest issue in the nation and will be a greenlight to the ever growing number of protesters and generally dissatisfied citizens.
50 giant class action lawsuits would be fun.
I think they will “happen” but they won’t be legitimate. There is going to be voter intimidation across the board, and ICE is going to post up at blue polling locations. And theyre going to continue to try to invalidate mail in voting.
They’ll probably take place, but ICE will be hanging out at polling locations to assault/detain/disappear people they don’t think will vote “correctly.”
They’re totally sleeping on
“We’re gonna build up Walz, and make Trump/ICE pay for it!”
It would be nice… But I think we’re running into politicians discovering that the American police state is above the law.
I don’t think anyone wants to address the elephant in the room that even if the governor of a state had the balls to order state police to arrest ice agents, they wouldn’t obey the order.
Cops in Minnesota have already released press statements that they side with “law enforcement”, and you really can’t prosecute anyone if you aren’t able to detain them in the first place.
States need to start banning police fraternities and unions and firing any cop who isn’t willing to follow the rule of law.
I don’t think anyone wants to address the elephant in the room that even if the governor of a state had the balls to order state police to arrest ice agents, they wouldn’t obey the order.
I think the issue is more that if a governor did that, the president would use the CIA, and homeland security to kidnap that governor and their wife right out of their home and then call in the army to pacify the situation.
So just keep firing police chiefs until you find one who will.
They don’t exist.
Anybody can be police chief, there are no requirements or qualifications. I’m sure there’s at least one person that would.
I’m Canadian, but I’d do it. We’d have ICE whacking day like in the Simpsons.
Or start deputizing people who will. Police say they won’t help? There’s plenty of people out there who will. The admin wants to claim it’s a Wild West city? Treat it like one.
Again… I’m not sure that officers would follow the orders even if you could find a police chief willing to stand up to the fraternal orders.
We’re in the age old “who watches the watchmen” scenario. Politicians over decades have empowered the police to protect their classes self interest to the point where we don’t really have a way to control them any more.
how about you do like literally anything
I think he’s a good guy.
I think he’s not cut out for this moment. Or really, he might be if he had literally anyone that would back him. His own party is garbage.
He should have ran. The alternative feels like a set up from establishment democrats to set up another centrist.
That’s part of the problem, the establishment never planned to handle the current situation. No one is cut out for this moment that’s in a position of power, it’s just not something people think can happen so quickly.
They’re basically blitzkrieging the political norms to grasp power all guard rails are destroyed and the courts are just those low wide speed bumps.
Tim, call in the state troopers and NG to remove these MAGA NAZIS before they kill more people.
Minnesota YOU ARE UNDER ATTACK!
I can promise you that Minnesotans know this.
Previously I was under the impression that Walz could unilaterally activate the NG without trump being able to federalize them I was wrong.
The state police are small and theres more than 3000 agents in Minneapolis. They are being provided instructions and intelligence from a PMC. This is a full fledged paramilitary.
The media, however, has completely ignored the fierce amount of civil disobedience and counter ICE actions going on. The problem is that ICE is ambushing victims, grabbing them and leaving.
It’s symbolic. They can call in state defense force and state police to apprehend them if they feel like they can claim they are committing crime. Then you see who does what. The only options are to escalate or capitulate.
PMC = Private Military Company, then?
Contractor, but yeah.
ok, thanks
Yeah it’s really hard as they drive up in unmarked cars and go. A lot of times the windows are tinted and you have seconds to react.
When they were in Chicago I’d try to look for trucks, SUVs, and minivans as those were the most likely to hold a lot of agents.
The National Guard and police are not coming to save you. Empower yourselves and exercise your right to bear arms. Yeah, we’re in a “Gift of the Magi” hostage situation but y’all need to stop acting like forelock tugging peasants and stop thinking your safety is anyone’s responsibility but your own.
Dude, come on over and have at it.
Personally, I need a few more guardrails to fall before I start sniping feds.
Buddy, I have my own backyard and it’s not about coming out and sniping feds. Do you understand the concept of deterrence?
No, please explain exactly what you mean by deterrence, educate me
Brb, going out to acquire a ballistic missile submarine
My apologies, I didn’t realize that you’re one of Trump’s intellectual peers.
At the risk of asking a stupid question. Is this really going to help now that Trump has demonstrated that his DOJ has the power to remove criminal investigations from a local level and reassign them to a federal level? Where they will then (Of course) refuse to even investigate let alone prosecute. Is there some other way to seek accountability right now? Or do we literally have to wait for the next administration to do anything with all the evidence being recorded right now?
They don’t that power. The state will conduct its own prosecutions.
Well, good. That does give me some hope, at least.
What’s happening is that the federal government removed evidence and refuses to cooperate with the state.
Future Nuremburg trials
do we literally have to wait for the next administration to do anything with all the evidence being recorded right now?
Honestly, it may even be longer. But the tide will shift.
America has had some dark periods in the past that historians can speak to with more authority, but this might be the biggest one that every single citizen is witness to and involved with, so the stakes are a lot higher, whatever happens here can lead to widescale public instability. It’s not sustainable, so one way or another it will break.
But there are enough clowns desperately clinging to their circus right now that even after the big orange one kicks it, which could happen any moment, it’s going to a shit-show of power-struggling and back-stabbing and maligned plans. It could take a decade to see the US start to stabilize.
(This is best case of course, it’s also possible that this is it, and the US is going to be the Russia of the Americas, a rusting, closed-down, run-down hermit nation run by organized crime, embargoed and sanctioned and only able to sell its own dwindling natural resources, and old weapons stockpile to rogue nations and rebel groups who can afford antique F23’s and ancient M1 tanks.)
I read somewhere that the states can go after ICE agents if they break state law. IANAL but I think MN state lawyers are doing what they can.
Yeah, I remember hearing the same thing now that you mention it. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if anything materializes from going that route. If nothing else, Trump at-least shouldn’t be able to pardon state charges, as far as I’m aware. So maybe there’s hope for accountability in there somewhere.
The challenge is that the DoJ is obstructing state justice and withholding evidence.
Take this with a grain of salt, because I’m not a lawyer nor am I in that space. I am simply quoting the content I heard from actual lawyers.
Trump has changed a lot of the legal world with his illegal acts. Prior to Trump, It used to be that federal court cases were often airtight. If you brought it up in federal court, it was expected both sides did their homework - all of it, every single detail. Because federal court cases were the defining “law of the land”.
Well, during the Trump administration, his cronies have so many federal lawsuits on them, often half-ass and badly made, that it’s creating a lot of deadlock on what is “the law of the land”.
So is it going to help now? No.
Is it going to help later? Absolutely. If not the Federal Court, but when we do our own Nuremberg trials.
Everyone will see.
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Eh, the Guard seems to be more friendly towards ICE than I’d like to see. I mean, in LA they didn’t do much, same for DC, but they didn’t seem confrontational to them either.
i knew he cracked when he started peddling the status quo when the ceo was shot '24 dec, isnt thats why harris chose him, he would play it safe like her to not upset ISRAEL or the billionaires. also the fact that he dropped out of the race, means threats of violence do work, of course this comes from the right wingers.
Lol what an absolute monkey this guy is.
Make sure you store it on servers outside the United States, too.
Hard copies
This is the same bull shit energy you tell a kid who’s getting bullied. “Don’t worry, it’ll get better in the future.”
Delusional wishful thinking. There’s no going back, things will never be the same even after the big beautiful obituary.
Yep people want to still think that this is just a bump in the road. During Trump’s first term, I thought that there was a glimmer of hope there that this could be true, but Joe Biden’s administration proved that there is no going back. It was a pleasant four year reprieve from waking up to a fresh new hell every morning, but at this point Trump and his associated chaos and fascism are back.
Marxists of course predicted this the whole time but I was holding out a little hope that they were wrong. They were terribly, disastrously correct.
Marxists of course predicted this the whole time but I was holding out a little hope that they were wrong. They were terribly, disastrously correct.
Many such cases.
Americans are such pussies 😂
“Take that ICE, I’m filming you for everybody to see even though you can still wear your masks and are unrecognisable as such”
Lazy activism
People take a level of risk that they can handle. They are not cowards.
Have fun with that then
And that’s why this will keep happening.
Nah what’s actually lazy is people sitting in positions of privilege with the power to help, but instead all they do is sling mud and beat people down. It’s hard enough for Americans to fight back as it is. Adding your inflammatory bullshit to the pile is just making it worse.
Do the black panther Philly thing and arm yourselves
All Power to the People!
Trump will just declare them immune from prosecution or pardon them all.
He can’t pardon them for state crimes, only federal.
I know this is FUBAR, but I think its funny that the 2nd amendment actually exists for this exact reason of State’s having their own militias that they can use, but of course they’re not going to actually use it.
Walz is taking a zero confrontational approach, so he’s defnitley at fault here, but state NGs haven’t exactly been effective since before the 1940s.
If anyone remembers the University of Alabama desegragation fiasco, JFK federalized Alabama’s national guard and essentially crippled what power the state governor had as a bunch of soldiers showed up to escort students and shove him aside.
Using the guard would trigger insurrection clauses and allow Trump to justify greater violence. Multiple states will have to all do it and trigger a civil war. Trump will not relent in his demand for absolute power. The inevitable end to succeeding at that pursuit is insurrection and then civil war which Minnesota can not afford to incite without alignment with enough other states. It isn’t cowardice to do this alone, unless absolutely necessary and when other states have had time to repair for their own rebellions.
The 2nd Amendment did its thing for both sides in the 1st American Civil War. The Fascist militias won’t have exclusivity for being armed, if good people make a point of being armed and ready for the conflict to come.
hes too afraid to upset the status quo,
Is this really the move? I can see the courts passing motion up to invalidate old footage due to AI etc.
I want to see a good ending but there needs to be something more active.
got a better idea for documentation?
I don’t unfortunately. Unless there’s a TV crew that follows the agent from crime to hotel, there’s going to be ‘reasonable doubt’.
The legal battles will be tough. At least we have names but linking name to crime needs to be rock solid. Thats even before they start attacking the victims.
If there’s enough videos showing the same thing from different viewpoints, that should do it. AI is not good enough to handle that at this point
I’m sure there are some well funded projects trying to do just that.
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