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Sometimes as Palestine would say, I just want my grandma’s house that the government stole from her and kicked her naked into the street. I miss the good memories.
Most other people have gotten over the house their grandparents were kicked out off. For example the neighboring Israelis.
LOL and of course you are a German. Nazi supporting Nazi i guess. Y’all love to be on the wrong side of history again.
If the neighbors are preparing to kill me next week, maybe this is a possibility if i can’t or don’t want to go anywhere else…
And to have every other country fund it.
stay there
after they locked the doors, killed you dog and wife, tortured your brother and starved you children while withholding them medical aid
Why do these screenshots always show the comments in the wrong order? Is twitter really set up like that?
The twitter feed is bottom to top anyway, so the retweet replies are shown that way (regular replies are top to bottom which is why nobody uses them and just quote tweets everything)
I think it’s because they’ve screencapped the original and attached it as an image and images are always below the body of text in a tweet
So two state solution?
Israel is literally waging a war to expand borders, so yeah, maybe they want to be left alone in the sense that they won’t accept any state other than Israel existing in the end.
It’s … wild because this is part of the roots of the Jewish people being chased from their lands.
In a world where folks accepted other peoples gods but revered their own … the monotheistic Abrahamic religions fucked all that up.
The problem with believing in gods is that you think you are right. That makes other people wrong. And so it begins…
That’s not true. I believe in gods and I’m n antirealist. I think everything is subjective and we should kill the idea of one objective reality.
If you can believe that, then you can believe anything, and you’re one good conversation away from being manipulated and used.
I sure can believe anything, I can believe whatever I want. I take choice, agency, and responsibility over My worldview. While realists take no agency and no accountability, they take no active part in shaping their perceptual world. I choose My perception based on My moral compass, but realists can be manipulated into believing anything.
A realists accountability is to reproducibility and observability.
But if you can believe anything, and that makes you happy, then good. I personally believe red is green and drive how I like. Sure I’ve killed a few people, but that’s in reality so I don’t believe it.
Wow, you made short work of that strawman! Problem is, this thread is old and we’re deep in a thread, so nobody else is reading this. There are only two people listening to this conversation. Now, obviously a strawman fallacy won’t persuade Me, so I must conclude that you were using that strawman for your own satisfaction, to feel like you’ve won the argument in your own mind, regardless of what anyone else thinks. Which is pretty hypocritical, given you were just making fun of that sort of behaviour.
Why would you believe anything if you were going to believe you were wrong?
And that’s why you shouldn’t.
believing you are right is requisite to belief. acknowledgement that you might be wrong, in the existence of doubt, that’s maturity but it does not preclude the belief that you are right.
I think you’ve just talked yourself into a circle. You can’t both believe something and doubt it. Doubt is the opposite of belief.
What you’re talking about is possibly belief in belief. That’s the belief that you should believe, or belief that you do believe. That is not the same as actual belief.
look who isn’t familiar with uncertainty
You can’t both believe something and doubt it.
I have beliefs about what I think is the most probable truth. That means I can both believe something is true, and acknowledge the probability that I’m wrong. Whenever my beliefs change, there’s necessarily a period where I gradually come to see the probability that I’m wrong as larger than the probability that I’m right, at which point my beliefs about what is right change. However, the acknowledgement that I may still be wrong remains.
If your bar for believing something is that you’re 100% certain that it is true (i.e., a complete lack of doubt), then you’ve rendered the whole concept of belief useless as there is no proposition this applies to.
Me, if I see a cat sitting on a mat, I will believe there is a cat on the mat. But it might be that it’s a capybara wearing an incredibly convincing cat costume. Very low odds, but the possibility is there. It could also be that I was a bit careless in looking, and the cat is actually sitting on an especially mat-like section of the newspaper. There is always doubt. Sometimes there’s more (maybe the lights were off), sometimes there’s less (I spend a good hour examining the cat-mat situation, consulting biologists and mat experts), but there is always doubt.
Asserting you have no doubt is asserting you made no mistake in assessing reality, i.e., that you’re perfect. And call me a dick, but I don’t think you are.
Anyway, death to Israel.
Yeah, and that’s why realists who believe in an objective reality are stupid. They won’t admit they’re wrong no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.
Citation needed
Sure, why not? Here, https://multiverse.soulism.net/post/67924/comment/535398. This Lemmy user said if you believe in gods, you think you’re right and others are wrong, and that leads to a dogmatic mindset. Now, reality obviously has all the same qualities as a god in this context, so although I don’t personally believe religion leads to dogma, I’m happy to cite you at yourself and ask that you take your own advice and believe in no absolute truth.
I honestly don’t even think I get your position here. Do you somehow not believe that you live in some kind of objective reality together with the rest of us? Do you think this is all just going on in your head? Like… is this some kind of far-out simulation theory thing? Even if we do live in a simulation, that simulation itself must exist in some kind of “real world”.
Please explain
Your perceptions are influenced by your beliefs, and your beliefs are influenced by your culture. So if someone can buy control of our cultural media, they can control reality for the general population. And that’s exactly what they’ve been doing. The owning class have literally constrained our ability to imagine and perceive a fair and just world. For example, they spent centuries silencing queer people, and as a result, most people became literally incapable of perceiving a nonbinary person. When they looked at someone like Me, they would see a man or a woman instead. Their foundational perception was and is distorted.
For a revolution against the owning class to be successful, we need not just to destroy the state apparati of physical control, but also of mental control. We need to destroy the belief in a capitalist cisheteropatriarchal reality. https://soulism.net
That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.
You can respect someone and still think they’re wrong. Just like I respect you right now.
But if you truly believe in your religion, then you must believe that other religions aren’t right.
Not necessarily. If I wear rose-tinted glasses while yours are tinted green, I may still believe that the worlds we see are lit by the same light.
If you believe that, then you believe you do not actually know the truth. But only an interpretation of what might be true.
That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it.
I think the Hindu school of thought is described here, that there is one truth (god), but it has many manifestations (religions)
https://www.sanskritica.com/shlokas/rig-1-164-46-ekam-sat
Then there is the Stoic view of Logos, which is the ”natural order” of the world. It’s a philosophical view, but according to it Logos has a divine source and it’s up to the individual to align with it and accept it. So since Logos contains multiple religions, does it matter which ones are right or wrong, rather how to align yourself with them?
So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn’t seem right.
By the way, I actually put in some effort in that comment to you which you downvoted. To me that felt a bit disrespectful of you.
You have to ask some Hindu about it. Maybe if you’re less argumentative and more eager to learn they’ll tell.
Boy, you should really look into how they’re handing their Muslim population. Though, yes, much like the Israel situation, the Brits really fucked that region up.
You say that but there’s no real evidence of a mass migration, suggesting the chase never happened. But, considering the Israelites’ goal back then was to annihilate the natives of (what was until 1948) Palestine and take their land because someone said Yahweh said they should… If they were banished they probably had it coming. Just like modern day Israelites have it coming.
K.
Id like anyone who read my comment to not see this comment and think it follows what I’m saying or expands on it.
This dude is standing alone just trying to normalize their hate.
So you dont think israel is wrong for stealing land and killing innocence woman and children?
I’m not gonna circumcise this mosquito with you.
Coward, also very freudian analogy you have used.
I stand proud, hating evil and cruelty. It has no place in the world I envision.
They can buy a house and live there, just don’t genocide everyone else, is that so hard?
Well I’d agree but I have standards… If you catch your neighbour burning your shed down for the eighth time, eventually you’re going to decide they can’t be trusted in your garden. The Zionists have fucked with Palestinians for decades recently, and centuries past, and seem incapable of refraining from murder.
Are you aware that there were laws in most of Europe that were created with the explicit purpose of expelling Jews from their homes? They didn’t choose to have Polish last names.
I am. That was likely just cruel discrimination, and preceded the radical Nazi Party, so we know that looking upon Jewish folk as lesser humans was widespread. Not, however, related to the Israeli Zionists who waged/wage war against others, often hurting their own people.
You need to know that there’s a difference between Jews and the extremists in politics. You must not generalise, and discriminate against, regular people.
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Have you ever heard of this social experiment that was done a long time ago.?
A teacher in 1968, following days after MLK was murdered, decided to teach kids about racism. It ended up becoming a famous experiment about how people who are discriminated against will often do the same back to others. And that we are all equally capable of being taught to discriminate even when we ourselves have faced discrimination and know what it’s like.
Here is the premise. (All kids were white, I believe)
The teacher told the students that blue eye color students were smarter than brown eye color students because the pigment in brown eyes was related to lower intelligence.
Here is the rest copied from Wikipedia
"Initially, there was resistance among the students in the minority group to the idea that blue-eyed children were better than brown-eyed children. To counter this, Elliott led the children to believe the false premise that melanin was linked to their higher intelligence and learning ability. Shortly thereafter, the initial resistance fell away. Those who were deemed “superior” became arrogant, bossy, and otherwise unpleasant to their “inferior” classmates. Their grades on simple tests improved, and they completed mathematical and reading tasks that had seemed outside their ability before. The “inferior” classmates also transformed – into timid and subservient children who scored more poorly on tests, and even during recess isolated themselves, including those who had previously been dominant in the class. These children’s academic performance suffered, even with tasks that had been simple before.[10]
The next Monday, Elliott reversed the exercise, making the brown-eyed children superior. While the brown-eyed children did taunt the blue-eyed children in ways similar to what had occurred the previous day, Elliott reports it was much less intense. To reflect on the experience, she asked the children to write down what they had learned.[6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott
Here is an in-depth article by PBS on it. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/introduction-2/
Here is a documentary about it , also made by PBS. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcCLm_LwpE
It’s a fascinating experiment into human behavior and self reflection. And how superiority complex changes performance and personality.
I was surprised to learn Jane Elliott is still alive. MLK’s assassination really wasn’t as long ago as they want you to believe.
Black slavery really wasn’t that long ago either.
1863
163 years.
That’s roughly only 2 lifetimes ago.
Two.
But yeah segregation was 50 years. People are alive today that weren’t allowed to use the same toilets as whites or share drinking fountains. Restaurants wouldn’t serve them.
Sundown towns. Lynchings.
The latter is still occurring.
Or, they want to be left alone to do whatever they want for the glory of the motherland.
They need Lebensraum.
Why do they all sound like they’re from brooklyn?
Because you are only watching one sided propaganda.
The majority of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning from the Middle East and Mediterranean region.
Where were they 70 years ago?
Getting forced out of the Muslim and Arab countries.
And that makes everything US-upon-middleast does okay, got it.
Historical wrongs don’t let you invade your neighbours. And given that Israel was founded as a way to export people from their existing homes, maybe it shouldn’t exist. Maybe the forces that formed Israel should repatriate their citizens and stop this leibensraum shit they’ve picked up from their past abusers.
I have no issue with Jews, none at all. I think all of the various sky-daddies are fucking ridiculous. But I do think that they’re building their own self-destruction. They’ll be unstable forever as a result of their actions.
I’m scared of the things that will happen when the US stops supplying munitions to Israel.
Again: I don’t have strong opinions on race or religion, I just think that all of Israel’s neighbours would like to see US influence in the region gone, and that would include Israel. And the cause of this is entirely Israel’s own aggression as a state.
And that makes everything US-upon-middleast does okay, got it.
I never said that.
… And murder half of their children as well.
What they want is no resistance to their colonial expansion.
And you just start beating the shit out of your smallest neighbour while occupying their house
First you play really loud music. Then when the neighbor comes over to complain you say they were yelling aggressively (to be heard over the loud music) and you had to defend yourself.
And you call them an anti-musicite.
Or bombing them and then killing the ambulance drivers that come to help them and bulldoze then into a ditch
It’s the only way to prove a point to my bigger neighbours. Plus it proves just how much I want to be left alone!!!
Withdraw to your 1967 borders. Then we talk.
Hezbollah could just not shoot any rockets into Israel.
Exactly, and the allied forces could’ve just not attacked the nazis. All Germany wanted was to be left alone. Great point!
Israel could just not antagonize its neighbours, attacking them and stealing their land and murdering the inhabitants.
Israel‘s existence is anathema to many in the region. They don’t need to do anything to be attacked.
No, the reason why is completely obvious.
Non israeli existence is anathema to isreal, they don’t need to do anything to be attacked by israel
Yes, nobody likes land thiefs.
Are you American by any chance?
Yeah. When someone comes to your house, shoots your parents, kicks you out, and “settles” in your neighbourhood you should just leave them alone. After all, they would never have done that if you hadn’t… shot rockets at them after they did it??
Israel never settled Lebanon.
Sure. They just occupied, blockaded and displaced a shitload of the people that now live in Lebanon, because their homes were stolen and their families were killed by Israelis.
You mean the descendants of Palestinian refugees, who can’t get Lebanese citizenship and are banned from some professions?
you talk nonsense and don’t put yourself in their shoes because israelis don’t see others as equal humans. Israel never comitted to the ceasefire on lebanon neither on gaza. Israel kept bombing and killed thousands throughout the ceasefire. at some point they realized they will keep getting bombed and killed either way. wtf is your logic exactly? Israeli violates the ceasefire and all ita agreement and keep bombing and killing you everyday, displacing and taking your land… and you do nothing?
What do Israelis want?
It’s to be able to commit genocide in peace.
Americans too apparently.
Nah, it’s overwhelmingly unpopular in America but the Israeli polls are overwhelmingly popular
The US does also like genocide though
it goes well with our holiday roast beast
What do polls have to do with it? They are manipulated and controlled by governments anyway. And actions matter, not thoughts and feels. If your country is doing something reprehensible, you shut it down - 100% strike, block everything. Otherwise you are responsible for what your country does. How you answer a phone questionnaire is irrelevant.
I’m sick and tired of dipshits like you saying this garbage I don’t even want to try to keep rebutting it anymore just go touch grass and learn something idk
Take responsibility for your country, or stfu.
If more than 50% of the people in the us keep voting for war mongers, its not really “overwhelmingly unpopular”. Its just full of people who say they dont like it, but vote for it anyway. So they are either cognitive idiots, or hypocrites.
Not “overwhelmingly” just only about ⅓
They want to be left alone to commit heinous acts of murder and torture. Is it so hard to understand? /s
Israel is a failed experiment in statehood. It’s about motherfucking time for every decision maker in virtually every government in the world to acknowledge that - and correct course.
Look up UN votes on various issues regarding Israel. We’re already there, and have been for decades. It’s just that the US holds the UN hostage with their veto power.
Didn’t orange don say he wants to quit the UN ?
Israel is a pretty successful state.
The us funds it though
Israel doesn’t need the funds.
They sure spend a lot of money to make sure it keeps flowing though
Israel needs diplomatic backing more than money.
Let me know when they stop taking billions from the us
Haha your head is pretty far up your ass. No funding means no iron dome, no iron dome means no pissrael.
Israel can afford it on its own.
That depends entirely on your definition of ‘success’.
Pretty successful in committing a genocide if you ask me.
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I agree with Eylon. No more subsidies, no more outside anything. Thirsty? There’s no water? Talk to your imaginary god. Hungry? Food doesn’t grow? Same thing.
