• Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    5 months ago

    There’s a distinction to point out between “absolutely no business getting made” vs “the final product turned out to be shit”. I can’t really think of anything that belongs to the former… I haven’t actually seen most of the films mentioned here so far, except the SW sequels… which turned out to be shit, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have made SW sequels at all: they just shouldn’t have made them shit.

    • ssillyssadass@lemmy.world
      5·
      5 months ago

      Makes me think of the Warcraft movie. Warcraft actually has some good lore to get into, it could totally be made into a good movie. Of course they botched it though.

      • pahlimur@lemmy.world
        2·
        5 months ago

        I weirdly don’t hate the warcraft movie. It sucks in some ways but it does a good job feeling like it’s in the warcraft universe.

    • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      9·
      5 months ago

      I was more curious about the former but got a lot more of the latter. Unfortunately, it would be difficult to phrase the question to get only the desired result. Oh well.

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
        6·
        5 months ago

        My initial thought seeing the title was Megalopolis but I don’t know the budget for it. Haven’t seen it yet, so I can’t speak to the quality of it, but I had read a ton of shit talking about how hard it was for Copolla to get it made and then distributed after he did make it. It sounds like the only thing that fits the question.

      • MagicShel@lemmy.zipEnglish
        6·
        5 months ago

        If you want the former, I’ll say Arcane. They poured money into that and it shows. They will never be able to count money made by that, though it was great word of mouth and I’m sure increased sales. But they spent like a half-billion dollars on that with no hope of any return. But damn that was a hell of a series.

  • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zipEnglish
    30·
    5 months ago

    Ohh i forgot another one of my favorite. Ghost in the Shell live action. I love that movie because of Scarlett Johansson, but if you watch the original anime, everything just feels better, and the live action is simply unnecessary.

  • daggermoon@lemmy.world
    5·
    5 months ago

    Perhaps, Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star. I have a weird relationship with this movie. I know it’s shit but I can’t help but be fascinated by it. It’s a fun movie to make your friends and family watch with you so you can watch their reaction. I wouldn’t even say it’s so bad it’s good. It’s bad but entertaining at the same time. I watch it and think “how the fuck did this get made?”

  • spittingimage@lemmy.world
    1108·
    5 months ago

    The Last Jedi.

    I left the theatre angry that they spent enough money to take mankind back to the moon on something that stupid.

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.world
        11·
        5 months ago

        No, the horses were in Rise of Skywalker.

        The Last Jedi was the one with the “Can you hear me now?” gags, and Luke tossing the lightsaber away.

    • MagicShel@lemmy.zipEnglish
      173·
      5 months ago

      And yet… it’s my favorite post-OT movie. It could’ve used another draft to tighten a couple things up here and there, but it was good.

      Now… TRoS is one of the worst films I’ve ever seen in my life and is the only Star Wars property I’ve only seen a single time and never will watch again. Hell I watched Book of Boba Fett twice. Shit, I’ve watched In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale twice. I’d have to go back to Battlefield Earth to think of an equally terrible film.

      But when watching The Last Jedi I feel nothing but joy.

        • GladiusB@lemmy.world
          42·
          5 months ago

          I can.

          Luke’s arc is exactly as he predicted back in Empire and ROTJ. He found peace and defeated his foe using the force in a peaceful way and helped them escape in redemption. Redemption from the horrific way he wanted to kill his disciple out of fear.

          Rey and Kylo had legitimate struggles with who they were. A character arc of not knowing who was truly bad or good and the internal struggles with figuring that out.

          The battle scene with the imperial guards with Rey and Kylo was one of the best cinematic battle scenes in Star Wars for me.

          The vision quest of Rey was legit eye opening on her character and not foreshadowing anything. Great way to tell a story.

          The flashbacks with Kylo and Luke changing what happened throughout the story was a good story telling device. I forget what story type it is, but it see saws 3 times until we find out what really happens.

          I know it’s not a popular opinion. But I do enjoy this movie so much more than the prequels in terms of execution and emotional connection.

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          2111·
          5 months ago

          Rogue One is a shitfest for a variety of reasons:

          The original writer director didn’t start with a script, he started with a supercut of other sci fi films and used that to make a script.

          https://slate.com/culture/2017/01/rogue-one-s-editors-used-pieces-of-wargames-and-aliens-to-mock-up-the-film-s-first-draft.html

          Even when he had a script, he spent an hour a day shooting off script for things that looked cool, but served no purpose.

          So when the first trailers came out, they were full of gibberish footage that was never actually used in the movie.

          https://www.polygon.com/2017/1/6/14195898/rogue-one-star-wars-trailer-jyn-erson

          Then he got fired and a new writer director was brought in, one who said his super power was he never liked Star Wars.

          https://theplaylist.net/tony-gilroy-rogue-one-podcast-20180405/

          “Because that was my superpower. A) I don’t like ‘Star Wars’—not that I don’t like it, but I’ve never been interested in ‘Star Wars’ ever, so I had no reverence for it whatsoever, I was unafraid about that and they were in such a swamp… they were in so much, terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position.”

          So you get conflicting scenes, one where Cassian has no trouble murdering an innocent informant, but not long after gets all sweaty and conflicted when it’s time to assassinate a legitimate military target.

          https://youtu.be/LORtuZ0ISF4#t=48s

          vs.

          https://youtu.be/eCN7zF1BMIQ

          No character growth, no arc, just in one scene he has no trouble murdering an innocent guy WHO HELPED HIM BTW, but later refuses to take out a military target HE WAS SUPPOSED to kill.

          To say nothing of crapping all over the iconic opening of Star Wars by having Vader watch the Death Star plans fly away, personally, with his own eyes.

            • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              143·
              5 months ago

              about 2/3 of what they’re saying is about the production and trailers before the movie was released. Other critiques about no character growth for Andor, but not mentioning Jyn’s arc at all.

              Also Rogue One brought us Andor, so even if it was a terrible movie, it spawned some of the best TV in the last 5 years, which says a lot about the movie and the characters.

              • MagicShel@lemmy.zipEnglish
                61·
                5 months ago

                Also no character growth for Andor while also complaining that he kills a guy in cold blood but then doesn’t kill Galen later under orders. And then breaks orders again because he put his faith in Jyn and not the Rebels.

                Rogue One is a good movie and I don’t care about production issues. It made the Empire far more menacing than even the OT did. Peak Vader. Peak Death Star. Even peak Stormtroopers.

                • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  5·
                  5 months ago

                  Yeah I didn’t want to analyze that too much, but the circumstances were completely different. The first guy he had to kill for his own preservation. The second time he was under no threat and starting to defy orders and listening to Jyn. It’s almost like a nitpick for the sake of picking things apart.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              76·
              5 months ago

              Same. I got as far as “Yer a wizard rebel now!” and was like “Nope!” Took 3 full tries before I finished it.

              The Rebel Moon movies are better than Rogue One and that’s saying something.

              • scytale@lemmy.zip
                5·
                5 months ago

                The Rebel Moon movies are better than Rogue One

                Woah slow down there. I can understand not liking Rogue One, but no way the trash that is Rebel Moon is better.

          • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            281·
            5 months ago

            It’s pretty funny that it still turned out to be the best Star Wars film since the OG trilogy.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              84·
              5 months ago

              I dunno, I think the best of the Disney versions is still Force Awakens. The big complaint is “Well, it’s just Star Wars…” which is true… but it’s Star Wars without George Lucas. They had to prove they could do what Lucas did without Lucas and I think they succeeded in that.

              Then Last Jedi shit the bed. Then Carrie Fisher died which painted them into a corner with Rise of Skywalker. Force Awakens was Han, Last Jedi was Luke, Rise of Skywalker was supposed to be Leia… 😢

          • SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world
            152·
            5 months ago

            No character growth, no arc, just in one scene he has no trouble murdering an innocent guy WHO HELPED HIM BTW, but later refuses to take out a military target HE WAS SUPPOSED to kill.

            Yeah, it’s almost like the target he was about to assassinate could be the only person in the galaxy who knows how to take out the weapon he just witnessed level a city.

            To say nothing of crapping all over the iconic opening of Star Wars by having Vader watch the Death Star plans fly away, personally, with his own eyes.

            Those two scenes line up perfectly and imo are quite satisfying when watching the two films back to back. In what way does Rogue One’s ending “crap all over” A New Hope’s opening?

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              51·
              5 months ago

              In Star Wars, Vader interrogates Leia, he talks about the plans being transmitted, not that he saw them personally be stolen.

              He’s also ragged on by Motti for not having found the tapes when Rogue One puts him in the same hallway with them.

              Speaking of… he force grabs every one and every thing in that hallway except the ONE THING he’s there for. Vader is not that STUPID.

              The Death Star Plans have plot armor, they HAVE to get away, don’t put them in the same hallway as Vader and don’t make them a physical object that can be grabbed.

      • SupraMario@lemmy.world
        165·
        5 months ago

        You take that back! It spawned andor which is also amazing. Rogue one proves they can actually make a gritty star wars film that shows a broken universe wouldn’t be all good vs evil bullshit.

        • Stovetop@lemmy.world
          131·
          5 months ago

          I didn’t think I could dislike Rogue One until I watched Andor. After finishing Andor and then rewatching Rogue One, I felt disappointed that it wasn’t quite as good.

          Not that it means Rogue One is a bad Star Wars film, but that Andor is just that good. I don’t think they’ll ever make another piece of Star Wars media that can surpass it.

      • Mr. Satan@lemmy.zip
        4·
        5 months ago

        I tried watching new star wars and they were all so boring. I remember from childhood pod racing and that red guy with double light sabers.

        I now see that people liked star wars for it’s story, but for me it was just a cool space fantasy. That nostalgia didn’t transfer for me.

        I don’t very well remember the plot of the first three of the new movies, but I remember being bored, they felt slow and there were no hooks to make me care. After watching the third movie I just said fuck it and gave up.

        I might try and watch the old movies as a grown up, but at this point I’d rather rewatch Shrek after work then gamble on a franchise I probably won’t like.

    • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      5·
      5 months ago

      I see why they made it but really the ip must be toxic because there’s no reason they cant make these movies.

    • spittingimage@lemmy.world
      823·
      5 months ago

      I can’t leave it at that. I have to add some details.

      Both the empire and the rebels repeatedly made tactical decisions so stupid a five-year old would know better. The opening battle involved sending unprotected bombers against a ship with anti-bomber defences and keeping the enemy commander talking on the phone to delay his response. That works in a Mel Brooks movie, not in Star Wars.

      They killed a fan-favourite character off-screen. What, was the puppet too old to reprise its role?

      The empire’s main guy decided to chase the rebels down instead of destroying them immediately. For fun, I guess.

      Phasma’s a badass. Except that she capitulates at the first sign of personal danger.

      All Holdo had to say was “yes, there’s a plan. Not telling you what because of operational secrecy”. Instead she expected Poe to blindly follow orders when he’d already shown he couldn’t do that.

      “Oh no, the sacred texts!” …that you attempted to burn a moment ago.

      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
        30·
        5 months ago

        All Holdo had to say was “yes, there’s a plan. Not telling you what because of operational secrecy”. Instead she expected Poe to blindly follow orders when he’d already shown he couldn’t do that.

        Well, he did fine following orders in the first movie, and then they changed the entire character in the second movie but kept the same name. I have no idea why they did that.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.world
        60·
        5 months ago

        My favorite bit:

        Leia gives Rey a pendant and tells her that she can use that to track them wherever they go.

        In the SAME SCENE, with NO CUTS, they are tracked by the first order and shout “THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!”

        You just described, IN THE SAME SCENE, how it is, in fact, possible.

        Bonus: Putting a tracker in the Falcon was how the Death Star found Yavin IV in the very first movie.

            • TheFonz@lemmy.world
              1·
              5 months ago

              I don’t think this is entirely accurate. I know ultimately Kathleen called a lot of the shots and was very meddling in the production and I thitk Ryan was trying to do something original after seeing what a superficial piece of garbage TFA was. Ryan is actually a good writer / director.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        22·
        5 months ago

        I highly highly recommend this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuuDTnMPMgc

        I think you’ll like it a lot. I realized that bathos is what I hated about the Last Jedi. They killed so many truly deep moments to have stupid jokes. They couldn’t let anything just be serious. It ruined the tone of the movie, couldn’t decide if they wanted to be a comedy or a drama, and so they did neither.

          • Fondots@lemmy.world
            10·
            5 months ago

            I do a movie night once a year and every year we do a different theme. Sometimes it’s a pretty normal and straightforward theme, the first year or two I did it was Robert Rodriguez movies (this party is nominally a Cinco de Mayo part) but we quickly ran out of those, so we pick a random theme every year

            One year the theme ended up being "movies that got a better “remake’” (we watched the worse versions)

            I believe that theme was 2023, it’s been a wild fucking 2 years so I can’t remember all of the movies we watched, we usually manage to squeeze in about 3

            But I remember David Lynch’s dune was on the list, as was the Super Mario Bros movie. None of us had actually seen the new Mario movie, so we just kind of took it on faith that it had to be better.

            If I had a point to this story, I’ve long since forgotten what it was, but I’ve typed it out and I’m gonna post it.

            • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
              4·
              5 months ago

              Hmm, I wonder if they kept the story and actor voices but CGI’D it… nah that couldnt possibly.

              • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                5 months ago

                The trouble with something like that is we already have the 90s Mario movie, and the actors’ performances (visual as well as voice) and the delightfully bonkers direction and production design are the best things about it. There’d be absolutely no benefit to throwing everything but the soundtrack out and redoing it line-by-prerecorded-line as a cartoon, when if you want a Mario cartoon which looks like the games you can more easily just make a new cartoon (which is what they did.)

          • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
            102·
            5 months ago

            That’s the problem.

            Why the hell is Mario fighting Donkey Kong to the song “Thunderstruck?”

            Because that is the least common denominator between them.

            They couldn’t take any of the music from any of the Mario games for that scene? Of course not; most people wouldn’t know it’s music from a Mario game.

            No, we need to slam a Top 40 classic rock song in there because that’s the only thing the plebeians who see this movie will understand.

            • ChexMax@lemmy.world
              5·
              5 months ago

              Idk, I think the issue here is that Mario is for plebians. I don’t know any “real” gamers who would answer a Mario game as their favorite game. Hell they likely wouldn’t be naming a platform game period. Why wouldn’t they throw in a song like that? Mario is fun for everyone, and it’s one of the video games that isn’t niche, has little to no barrier to entry and is just goofy and fun. Why wouldn’t the movie just be goofy and fun?

              • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                5 months ago

                There are plenty of gamers who love Mario games, and there’s a huge depth of lore and music and characters they could have drawn from to make it

                By using generic songs it became a movie that had a Mario skin on it.

                • ChexMax@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  I think I was unclear. Mario is my favorite. I’m the plebian I’m talking about. I’m a gamer and Thousand Year Door on GameCube is my favorite game of all time. I don’t mind a bit that they threw thunderstruck in. My dad was in the theater with me and my brother, and my sister, and my nephews. All of us are obsessed with Mario but my Dad and sister, and thunderstruck meant my dad and sister were enjoying that scene as much as us, even though they didn’t get the more subtle Mario Easter eggs.

              • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.comEnglish
                3·
                5 months ago

                I don’t know any “real” gamers who would answer a Mario game as their favorite game. Hell they likely wouldn’t be naming a platform game period

                2008 is over, it’s socially acceptable to like games that aren’t military shooters now

                • ChexMax@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  5 months ago

                  I think I was unclear. Mario is my favorite. I have been told I’m not really a gamer over it. That’s all I meant. I’m the plebian I’m talking about. Thousand Year Door on GameCube is my favorite game of all time, with Stardew as a close competitor. A lot of my gamer friends are fine calling me a gamer but I’ve definitely been hate kept over these preferences.

            • grue@lemmy.world
              71·
              5 months ago

              No, we need to slam a Top 40 classic rock song in there because that’s the only thing the plebeians who see this movie will understand.

              See also: the Beastie Boys bullshit in JJ-Trek.

    • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
      2·
      5 months ago

      I loved it. It was slop, but was good slop. I think it’s fun to watch with a friend.

    • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      91·
      5 months ago

      I support the idea of making a cats movie. Just not like that. Should have been more costumes then cgi. Youre audience is furrys… so do furrys…

      • Maestro@fedia.io
        4·
        5 months ago

        Just watch the Andrew Lloyd Webber theather version. It’s by far the best.

    • MimicJar@lemmy.world
      14·
      5 months ago

      The moment they announced Cats I knew it wasn’t going to work.

      First, the story sucks. A bunch of cats prancing around and learning not to be a dick to that one cat.

      Second, Cats is a spectacle. The reason you go see Cats in a theater is for the spectacle. Everyone is dressed up and dancing around. It’s meant to be an experience. You can’t translate that to film.

  • TwoHardCore@lemmy.caEnglish
    43·
    5 months ago

    I’m not sure how big the budgets were 20ish years ago, but these 2 for me:

    • the Royal Tenenbaums
    • Sideways

    Both are very well reviewed by the public/reviewers and I cannot fathom why.

    • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      6·
      5 months ago

      I personally love the royal tenebaums but the first watch i was like you. Wes Anderson is weird. Its like first you need permission to like it because its so different but once youre granted that permission, and can suspend disbelief, the world opens up to you.

  • rozodru@lemmy.world
    21·
    5 months ago

    not sure if it was “big budget” but Madame Web.

    It was, essentially, a Spider-Man prequel that simply didn’t need to happen story wise. It introduced a bunch of characters from the comics that do indeed have Spider-Man like powers but in the film they simply “suggest” it. You had a villain whose entire purpose for doing what he did was he had a dream where said “spider people” killed him. You had Uncle Ben shoed in to simply say to the audience 'hey, HEY ASSHOLE! look…It’s a Spider Man Prequel!" and THAT was the ONLY connection to Peter Parker.

    It’s like having a Star Wars Prequel where Uncle Owen is in it and he’s hanging out with a bunch of people who could potentially be Padawans but we’re not sure and they’re being hunted cause some random Sith had a dream that sure, they could potentially be Jedi one day. Now none of them actually are but they COULD be one day, just not in this movie.

    • flubba86@lemmy.world
      3·
      5 months ago

      I know your Star Wars comparison was to reinforce your point, but that does sound like a plausible plot for a legit Star Wars movie that I’d watch.

  • Odo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    5 months ago

    Battleship. It’s just such a bizarre license for a movie, and certainly one nobody ever asked for. (Well, outside Hasbro execs clearly desperate for another Transformers-level hit.)

    Oddly watchable in a big dumb fun kind of way, at least. And hey, it has Jesse Plemons not playing a total sociopath, so that’s neat.