How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don’t want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?
Being selfless, kind and peaceful even when powerful quite literally goes against the Western ethos and to deny it is to deny not only history but contemporary Western societies as well (from the neverending colonization of the world, native American genocide included, to the recent “empathy is a sin” take, lol).
Did someone acctually expressed that thought?
Yeah, Dean Fucking Cain did.
I’m aware if him critiquing him being emigrant end “woke” - which is idiotic, sure. Not aware of him criticyzing Superman for being kind.
lol well some evangelicals are also suggesting trump is literally the second coming of jesus, so I guess they’re just inventing their next religion right now.
The worst Superman in my lifetime.
I never watched his series, but there was a photo of Cain as Superman accompanying the article and he certainly seemed to be the most smug self-satisfied Superman out there.
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Ok, I don’t think kindness is a bad thing but I do think the type of hero who’s all vanilla and too good to be true feels fake. I can’t relate to someone who always makes the right choice without fail and who has near unlimited power. I also think it makes for a more boring story. I like stories where the heroes aren’t perfect and need to learn to be better.
I kind of agree. I enjoy Superman but also prefer heroes who are more morally grey. But my post isn’t about people who dislike Superman because he’s a Mary Sue, it’s about people who are angry that Superman values kindness
It doesn’t have to be boring to make a story about people who always makes the right choice it’s just more challenging to write. You need to write scenarios where it’s not clear what the ethically correct choice is and have the the hero have to figure that out.
A large part of Star Trek (at least back when they had good writers) revolves around that. In fact movies like Captain America Civil War also revolve around a bunch of people wanting to do the right thing, just not agreeing on what that is.
When the writing is bad, stories about a character being bad then learning to be good can be just as boring as a story about someone being good from the beginning. It’s just generally easier to write a story with character learning something because you don’t need to do all that much world building to create an interesting ethical dilemma.
For all the right wingers who think woke, pro immigrant superman is a new concept, reminder that this is a poster from the 1950s
Interesting article about the history of ‘socialist superman’ during the depression and the ideological evolution.
Interestingly enough zero black people depicted, or any other races but white - just one dude with a dark orange complexion like the Mango Mussolini.
Ethnicities. “Race” is a shit expression.
Colour palette.
Yeah you got the crux of the problem here! Let‘s correct people that are saying the same with a bit of arrogance to have a dopamine kick and then let’s make a fight about this so we are pushing the other person away
God why everything has to be so divisive these days?!
But it’s three syllables shorter! That’s like 75% of the syllables. Won’t you think of the savings?
Agreed, but ‘ethnicity’ means something else, closer to ‘national origin’ mentioned on the poster. All the white people pictured may well be of different ethnicities, for example. ‘Ancestries’, perhaps? ‘Different skin color’?
from this article:
Another story from 1953 called “People are People” has a Black youngster holding off an escaped lion until Superman can capture the animal. The owner of the circus the lion has escaped from wants to congratulate a white boy for his (nonexistent) heroism until Superman points out that the heroic young man was Black, and that the circus owner only wanted to congratulate the white boy because he was prejudiced.
The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness… Good doesn’t pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good…ffs, 'the list is on my desk…"
Idk, I always thought Superman was cool, but a little boring and vanilla. I normally prefer Batman. Admittedly, I’ve never dived down the Superman lore pit, but I am aware that he gets a little darker sometimes. He’s definitely one of the better role model heroes. Anyone that actually hates Superman, is a dipshit.
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Depends on the comic. Sometimes he has philanthropic initiatives that get attacked by the bad guys.
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Batman is definitely cool. That just can’t be disputed. He definitely spends a fuck ton of money on the city. His main obstacle, is the writing. Gotham City has to be awful. It has to be, or there is no story. He can’t kill villains regularly, because of plot. If the problems were capable of being fixed, then he’d be on of the best possible people to solve them.
The problems are capable of being fixed. The people of Gotham take to crime to survive because they have been squeezed by the ruling class and it’s the only way to protect what remains of their material conditions.
The Waynes and people like them, the owning class, prop up a system of inequality that forces these conditions to endure.
Bruce Wayne, the richest and most powerful of all, is hurt back (his parents killed) and instead of solving the systemic issues, he doles out individualized corporal punishment as a vigilante.
It’s the ultimate extension of “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”: Rich people will never acknowledge that the very system that provides them power is the ultimate root of all the issues they intend to solve via violence. Batman is himself the ultimate villain of the story.
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Tell that to Bludhaven. Nightwing > Batman.
Nah, Batman is definitely cooler than Dick. Which makes sense, he’s been doing it for several more years. I don’t know too much about Bludhaven. But I’m pretty sure that it’s categorically less fucked up. Nightwing doesn’t have to be as effective as Batman imo.
Dick used his money to turn it from resembling Gotham to resembling Metropolis. Cool is irrelevant, Dick is ridiculously more efficient and solution focused than Bruce, who is just obsessed with punishment and subjugation of people who have done wrong, Dick is objectively a better superhero for his city, and is focused on solving problems rather than punishment, he’s also not an asshole or a fascist.
Batman brained a guy so bad he lost his mind and became Calander Man, he is not solution oriented.
Okay, that’s fair enough. Does he kill people?
Sadly, no, the no kill rule stuck with him.
Don’t get me wrong, though, I love Batman, I just think Dick has had the benefit of more modern writing and more progressive writers for his solo gig, Batman’s failings are more of a side effect of the era when he was created and the specific writers that have handled his canon more than anything else. Dick ended up being a lot more morally akin to Spider-Man than Batman, his reason for doing what he does is specifically to help people and improve things, as opposed to punishing villains and those who have done wrong. I see him as less of a crime fighter/authority figure and more of a public servant.
But Batman DOES uses his billions to help Gotham. The problem is that most of his rogues gallery is composed of high ranking rich mafia bosses, and the rest are completely insane individuals (or even sane people who just LIKE being evil for no reason like Scarecrow who literally gasses people until they die of fright just to study their reactions). You can’t possibly think bribing the Joker with a billion dollars would stop him from bombing orphanages, gassing entire neighborhoods, or LITERALLY NUKING AN ENTIRE CITY.
Investing money into Gotham isn’t gonna stop the Penguin or Black Mask from running protection rackets or bribing cops, it won’t stop Poison Ivy from commiting literal ecoterrorism, and it won’t stop Victor Zsasz from gutting people to death with knives, or Deadshot from assassinating people.
Oh, and another thing: the city is actually fucking cursed with evil black magic. That’s not hyperbole. The city literally makes people evil.
Batman only is a vigilante because his work as Bruce Wayne is not enough.
You can’t possibly think bribing the Joker with a billion dollars would stop him from bombing orphanages
You’re missing OP’s point. Depending on which Joker origin story you’re looking at, then the man would never become the joker in the first place. Like if we go with the recent movie version of Joker’s origin, he became the joker in large part because of an awful healthcare system and a horrible social safety net system. If he got good care and treatment all through his life then he never would become the Joker
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In fiction, hard agree; in reality, I’d summon super man over bat man pretty quick. I think he’s boring because he doesn’t leave much room for interesting conflict. irl, I don’t want interesting conflict lol
I’d prefer benevolent god over tech wizard bdsm billionaire exceptionalism. The guy choosing to be small is far greater than the guy buying big shoes
Wouldn’t say I hate him, he just bores me, his plots are kinda lame, and I don’t like his personality. Invulnerable to everything but some supposedly rare rock that’s actually everywhere apparently with how often he finds himself encountering it. They eventually added magic I guess because kryptonite showing up like table salt was getting old. Then has the whole goody two shoes paladin act going on. Just a yawn fest imo.
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He has all the power in the world and chooses to be kind. That’s awesome.
Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don’t deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it’s very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they’ve already bought into.
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But what if you kill them with kindness?
Just be sure to make it look like an accident.
Like Bob Ross, just a happy accident.
Feels wrong to hide it.
In that case, the end justify the means. :-)
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Whatever gets the job done.
I’m just baffled because not only is it way easier to not hate people, it’s way more beneficial for everyone.
These people are taking two mile hikes to find the perfect deer shit to shove down their throats.
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That’s fully understood, we’re talking about propaganda, and I’m talking about who that propaganda affects.
You’re not wrong though at all. Arm yourself, convince anyone you can to do the same.
Only war is class war and I aim to win this bitch
They don’t want Superman, they want Brightburn.
I enjoyed that movie, but the part at the end where they included Aquaman and Wonder Woman was stupid.
Nah kindness is Woke
Their religion / tribal cult only wants to use the United States, forget about “Truth, Justice and the American way”, they want US soldiers to pay with their blood.
I’m out of the loop here. I’ve seen something about the most recent director or writer calling Superman an immigrant, and Dean Cain hating on that take and calling it “woke”. But I haven’t seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.
FWIW if you are looking at reviews for an upcoming or recently released movies, and a lot of the comments are calling it “too political” or “woke”, give it a watch and come back with your own review. Those reviews are an indicator to me that it might be somewhat thought-provoking. (or also don’t watch if you have no interest in the subject)
But I haven’t seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.
Isn’t the take more like “You think it’s super-human to be kind?!?”
What was that post from 4chan telling aliens to fuck off, and calling them space [REDACTED]s? Magats are so fucking stupid and evil, that they would tell Superman to fuck off.
Yes, people are angry that the director talked about Superman being an immigrant (even though he has been from another planet since the character was concieved) and they are also angry about the director saying Superman represents kindness, because apparently just being nice to people is woke now
Sadly not a new issue for Superman. His backstory was even retconned in the comics for a bit to have his spaceship give birth to him so he could be born in America.
So he’s an anchor baby? The reason we need to repeal birthright citizenship?
I’m seeing comments on Facebook telling me “he’s not an immigrant, he’s an alien from space”. I’m so confused as to how they don’t consider someone from a different planet to be an immigrant
What? When? I’m not a Superman fan, but even I know he was born on Krypton or whatever his planet was, and his parents were royalty I think, and they sent him to Earth as a baby to survive, where he was raised by farmers to be a GOOD YOUNG AMERICAN WHITEBOY but then he discovers his powers and thankfully his parents were actually good people and not goddamned nazis and he goes around helping people and fighting his greatest enemy, Lex Luthor that bald guy that represents capitalism whose name is way too close to the Christian devil.
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A. Not a shower thought.
B. literally people just complain to complain. The movie is like the highest rated superman film in a very long time. Man of steel was cool I guess. But this newest one is much much better.
A. I could definitely have this kind of thought when showering after an argument
I just came out of watching the new movie.
In the scene in which Clark gets interviewed, seen also in the trailer, it is transparent that Superman is with Francesca Albanese on a very current issue.
That’s what they are mad about.
I guess WB/DC is gonna fall out of grace.
That makes me more interested in watching it honestly.
I am not an American and I have never been a Superman fan. I had fun, I felt represented, I was entertained, cannot wait for a sequel, am looking forward for Peacemaker S2 and whatever else is planned.
Warmly recommended. I really think all Americans should see it, as it may have a very good and stronger effect on them.
Superman fighting the klan didn’t work because adults laughed at their hand signs and shit that were disclosed…
It’s because it got a generation of kids to see the klan as the bad guys
If Superman hated you, how the fuck were you going to indoctrinate your kid into the klan?
That’s why they’re always bitching about media. The people doing it are ignorant, but the ones telling them what to be mad about it are picking logical targets to fufil longterm goals.
It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.
Fighting for freedom never ends.
Holy shit you’re right.
I completely agree it’s like loosing weight, at a certain point it becomes actively harmful.
It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.
Can confirm. 330lbs I said “I’ll reach 320.”
At 320 I said I’ll reach 310.
At 310 I said 300.
At 300 I said 290.
Then 280.
Then 270.
Then 260.
Then 250.
Then 240.
I went back up to 250. Oh no no no no no. Fuck that shit. I’m going to see 240. And when I do, it’ll set my sights on 230.
And when I see 230, I will hug someone. Because that will be 100lb.
Which means I’ll look to 220.
And then 210.
And 200.
I don’t know where my weight loss journey ends. I don’t know when I’ll feel at a healthy weight.
I just know I hope my journey brings me to a day when I get to punch a nazi.
Because nazi lives DON’T matter!
Well. Your journey took real strength. Ain’t that something? Keep fighting the good fight.
I mean Hitler did kill Hitler.
You’re gonna do it brudduh, don’t stop bettering yourself :)
The last thing you said is why I got one of my bans on Reddit. Fuck Reddit.
The horrible thing about it all is that saying you should always punch Nazis was an uncontroversial statement even as recently as three years ago.
The only reason it’s now considered a terroristic threat is because powerful figures have started openly identifying with fascism.
We need to be saying it more, not less.
The only good fascist is the one buried in the earth.
Wait are you saying that Hitler is good?
Well he did do one good thing in his life. He killed Hitler.
Just don’t think of it as a diet or oppressive. Make it a lifestyle. I’m still around 220 after 11 years of mostly stuck in bed. 16 years ago I was 350. A part of me wishes I was still 190 at 7%, but it is super hard for me to get that low. I just don’t have that kind of pain tolerance to deal with being light headed and hungry 24/7 while counting calories, eating constantly, but never meals or more than a few bites of dry salad or chicken. Without racing and riding like 400+ miles a week, I’m just not that kind of motivated. I’d much rather be lazy and eat meals with way too many calories at once but still far fewer than most people. I have no desire to binge or eat processed food of any kind any more. Avoiding dairy has also been super helpful too because that is a good excuse to avoid most junk people make, fast food, or restaurants the few chances I ever get.
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