I’m glad the people that had emotional meltdowns over the chance of boys being on girls teams… have made a boy, by their own actions and stupidity, be forced on the girls team
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Blind obedience to the papers. No thought required.
Not even that since it says the parents got it corrected, he now has a birth certificate saying he’s a male, but they are still clinging to the first one.
i’m becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of admin workers are just a bit evil, every decision seems to be guided by “what is the most egregious way i can misinterpret and mangle this paperwork?”
just recently there was a guy here in sweden who was fucking pronounced dead for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and courts ruled that it was an honest mistake??? like what the fuck, why are random admin workers seemingly a separate untouchable ruling class?? We’re not even talking about rich people, it’s just Mary in accounting who is arbitrarily allowed to redirect your wage to her bank account and go unpunished.
I think I smell a sequel:
Yeah sometimes dogs get forced to play on the boys’ team. Where is the outrage about the golden retrievers?
I’m a single issue voter in regards to golden retrievers playing basketball, I assure you I’m outraged enough for everyone.
Thank you FartMaster69, I know I can count on you to support us
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He should slam dunk on those fools. Check and rebound. Can’t take the heat… get out of the way girls.
This is the kind of stupid bullshit republicans create because they don’t solve problems they create contraversies in a lab and then when they actually get voted into office to “solve” them they literally do stupid shit like this.
I’m genuinely curious what happens for example if this cis gender boy wants to get married with a cis gender girl. Would that be a gay marriage (I dunno what is the correct term). And if they are in a state where it’s not allowed, how does it go?
(I am not from US. I assume union of same sex is not fully accepted and every state and/or community have different laws and practices)
Gay marriage is legal in every state since 2015. Supreme Court ordered it with Obergefell v Hodges
For now. That’s next to get the ax on the conservative agenda.
I like how US laws are cited. “Can Asians own SUV?”. Yes they can since Mathews vs Jonathan in 1994.
Sounds like they threw two people in the pit and the victor of the bout decided the law on that.
The worst part is he doesn’t even like sports!
The district pointed to a state law enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. A federal judge blocked enforcement of that law in 2023, but only against two trans student-athletes who filed suit against it. (An appeals court upheld that injunction last year, and the Supreme Court declined to take up the case this summer.)
Any chance this is some malicious compliance?
Any chance this is some malicious compliance?
It could be fear. No one wants a bunch of Karen’s screaming in their face. No one wants to be sued or fired. Maybe this is just someone who thinks they need to protect themselves over the kids they’re responsible for
Could be! I was just commenting that the kid could engage in malicious compliance. Let’s see what happens when he exits the girls locker room with wet hair and a towel around his neck.
The law in question doesn’t actually mandate that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. If you read the law, it only prohibits biological males from participating in female sports. It does not prohibit biological females from participating in male sports. Quite the contrary, it specifically acknowledges that all students, regardless of sex or gender, are allowed to participate in “boys” sports.
https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-15-education/az-rev-st-sect-15-120-02/
It’s really a no win situation though if the boy complies. Newsmax will show footage of a game he plays in as evidence that boys are playing in girls sports, and the idiots who watch will believe it and support even worse politicians and laws.
I don’t see what part of that even requires them to use the birth certificate
It’s the stupid conservative part. If they make an exception for him, then they need to make exceptions for trans girls
Unfortunately, no they don’t. You think these people believe their constituents have brains?
What absolute moron is running that school district?
Is it possible they are hoping it gets attention to show how stupid the law is?
I would guess they’re just trying really hard to avoid triggering Trump’s wrath. A discrimination lawsuit is comparatively small to the devastation you can get from running afoul of the most powerful dictator in history
Not only could the school and state potentially lose all federal education funding, but Trump may go after the school administrators personally. He’s been rather successful lately at going after anyone he disagrees with. Political opponents like Comey and Bolton. Judges like the Oregon one that blocked the National Guard deployments, or the immigration judges that refused to simply dismiss asylum cases without hearing them. Even just random individuals that happen to be negatively mentioned on Fox News have been increasingly under extra-judicial attack by the president
America is now a nation by, and for, Trump
This is the moment that the district admins were waiting for their whole life. It’s their chance to stand against AOC’s liberal woke agenda trying to infiltrate their district with this student. Not on their watch. They’ll hold these troublemaker Demon-rats in line. Anyone who stands in their way is obviously a part of the global Anti-Israeli Gay Marxist Communist Muslim Antifa Jewish Space Laser Council that wants everyone eating crickets. It’s allll a conspiracy. Every part of it!! They hate us for our freedom!!! (/s)
perhaps, but that’s also cruel…
Yeah but it’s a hope that perhaps it’s a little less cruel overall than the thought that this one kid is being tortured for no reason at all.
- why tf does a school ask for a birth certificate
- why tf would parents give that
- why tf did the parents not see the error in the birth certificate?
My take: school asking for the certificate? Wrong. Now that they have it, they are reacting legally correct, because that birth certificate is a legal document. Sucks for the boy, but the fault is 100% the parents.
Don’t all schools ask for birth certificates? At that age it’s your only id, most kids only legal connection to their parents, your only legal indication of age.
I suppose it could also be weaponized to deprive immigrants of an education.
That being said, I looked it up and my state schools are mandated to equally educate all residents regardless of immigration status and are not allowed to ask about immigration status, nor to cooperate with ICE barring court order
In my case, the municipality is responsible for registering kids at public schools and they know the true identity already. The school only gets to see the name, address and maybe the gender.
What are you basing your assertion on? The article links to the state law and says the law doesn’t prevent girls from playing on boys teams, so it doesn’t matter if it’s a clerical mistake or not.
That’s something an American brain cannot comprehend. If the school has boy only teams, the law does not matter. But go ahead and sue the shit out of the school, because that always solves all the problems.
That answer didn’t really clear anything up for me.
That’s not a bad thing. He’s going to have a lot of girlfriends
No he will get made fun of from all the other kids
Sounds like a fair exchange for a lot of girlfriends
Two things can be true
I don’t know how American birth certificates work. Is he officially female for life, unless he wants it changed?
I imagine trans people would be quite happy in such a situation. Like winning the lottery.
There is a process to amend birth certificates, presumably initially intended for errors like this. But then people who successfully transitioned used the process to amend their birth certificates to reflect their new gender, because there was no other way to do it. The transphobes seized on this, and started processes that refuse to honor any late changes to birth certificates.
It should have been a simple matter to resolve - his doctor wites a note saying “This kid has boy parts, and always has. The birth certificate was always an administrative error”. But then, that would force the transphobes to acknowledge a role for facts and science to contradict their feelings. So, we can’t have that either.
So, they go on claiming that they are just out for the best interests of kids, and that justifies why they are treating this kid so poorly. When in reality, they are just protecting their narrative, at his expense.
From the article it sounds like the birth certificate was corrected but the school isn’t accepting the change without a chromosome test, which costs $1,500. There’s another test that they could do that’s free, slightly embarrassing, and takes just a moment, but would require an adult to look when the kid drops his pants. It’s such a stupid non-issue. I can’t believe this happened, that we know about it, and that it hasn’t been resolved yet.
That wouldn’t work. Conservatives needed to write iron-clad laws that no trans person could find a way around. If you base it on genitals, what happens when someone goes and gets sex reassignment surgery? That’s not done on minors, but conservatives don’t know that. How’s a school coach to know that he isn’t a trans guy that snuck off to Thailand one summer and got a dick installed? This is why these laws reference the original birth certificate. The entire point is to make it so sex is immutable and unchangeable.
Geez, I think you’re right. I guess homie better get used to using the women’s restroom from now on or else he could find himself getting beat up or prosecuted.
This is what doctor’s notes are for. And they had one.
These laws were written to hurt trans people. They were written to make it very difficult for trans people to find loopholes to get around. That is the problem here.
Let’s say the errors on sex could be corrected with a doctor’s note. But what you’re really asking for is for a sex marker to be changed, simply citing an error in original sex assignment. You are going to plead that your real sex is unmatched to your documented marker. But what is sex? “Sex” is a very fuzzy thing. Is it genetics? Genitals? Chromosomes? Secondary sex characteristics? Conservatives like chromosomes because their inalterability serves the conservative worldview. But historically we used primary and secondary sex characteristics to define sex. We talked about “male” and “female” since the dawn of time, but we’ve known about chromosomes for less than a century. Historically, your sex was simply your observable physical form. If you alter that, in a very real sense you do change your biological sex. There are many interpretations of the word “sex” and the phrase “biological sex.” Some allow them to be changed, some not. And, wherever you fall on that question personally, you can find doctors who follow any of the possible definitions of the terms.
In fact, in states that allow you to change your sex on your birth certificate, traditionally this is how it was done. The state would require a letter from a physician saying your biological sex has been changed. Some states specifically required surgery. Some just left it up to the doctor’s interpretation. If you could convince a doctor that you had changed your sex, then your sex could be legally changed.
And this is the problem. You would think you could correct this error with a doctor’s note. But the Republicans already thought of that. This cis kid could use a doctor’s note to prove that he’s biologically male. A trans kid could use that exact same mechanism to get a doctor to say that their sex is now male. Just find a doctor that believes that sex is largely hormonal. A trans boy gets on T, and, in that doctor’s eyes, their sex has now literally been changed. And they could write a letter to that effect. And the doctor wouldn’t have to lie at all. It all comes down to your interpretation of “sex.”
These laws were written to hurt trans people. To do this, they needed sex to be legally defined in a very strict and unalterable way. They wanted to make the process so ironclad that no trans person could ever weasel their way past them. Thus, they only allow corrections of birth certificates in some very specific ways that no trans person could use. They don’t just leave it up to a licensed doctor. Licensed doctors are the ones providing medical care to trans people. The laws instead require things like chromosomal testing. Chromosomes are one thing that can’t be changed. If you require chromosomal testing to correct an error on an original birth certificate, then you can make it virtually impossible for a trans person to change theirs. But it does have the slight downside of making it very expensive to correct actual clerical errors.
And this will be true regardless of how you want to screen for original biological sex. The tall and strong gate will make it hard for your enemy to pass. But it will also make it difficult to let in a friend that gets accidentally trapped outside in the night.
So they believe a person’s gender is up for negotiation with their doctor, who is a member of the elite and therefore is likely corruptible. This makes sense. I’ve heard of doctors doing favors for their rich clients and writing notes declaring the client’s son to be suffering from painful bone spurs, preventing military service. I guess every accusation truly is an admission of guilt.
In current US, he’s probably going to have to transition.
Normally people use common sense, it’s obviously a clerical error and you can get the paperwork fixed.
This is an example of right wing scare tactics against trans people in sports creating stupid laws that also don’t allow for the messiness of real life. I didn’t pay attention but it’ll be local to either the state or city
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This is basketball, a sport that rewards tallness. By eighth grade boys are on average taller than girls. Even before you look at other gender differences, girls would be at significant disadvantage.
Many/most people are competitive, and competitiveness doesn’t have to be toxic. It’s fine for you not to be competitive, but people are, and it’s unreasonable to ask them to repress that part of their personality
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It’s going to depend on the school and level
Given this example of eighth grade basketball, my kid technically had tryouts but everyone made the team. It was a small school though, and bigger schools may be different. He came in cold, not knowing the game but is a natural athlete. He had fun and learned the game and that one year was enough. I pushed him to play this year because he had been interested, he had a bunch of friends in the team, and he is an athlete. Importantly he’s not really tall enough for basketball, so eighth grade was likely his last chance to play. (It was funny to watch his crew of three soccer players and a hockey player take over the team and try to adjust their skills to a new sport)
Sports tends to get competitive in high school, especially for varsity teams, but there are usually options. For example my kid made the varsity soccer team after competitive tryouts. Part of the competitive nature was encouraging the kids to play competitive club soccer in the off season. To secure his starting spot, my kids spent the off season lifting weights, gaining about 30 lbs of muscle while cutting any remaining fat. Yes it was competitive. But he also joined a town league and a rec league for fun off season because he just loved playing: non-competitive, no tryouts
Ultimate Frisbee did this by forcing a certain number of boys/girl per team. If you don’t impose that you end up with a boys team anyway at high level.
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed.
Girls’ teams exist entirely to guarantee girls a number of slots, on the presumption that on average in most sports once you hit puberty generally the boys will start to dramatically outperform the girls due to things like size, upper body strength and other traits that are broadly connected to testosterone levels. Then you have things like chess, where you still have a women’s league, but that basically exists because “not enough” women play chess and the notion is that a smaller talent pool broadly means easier competition that will in turn be more approachable.
Mixed teams in school sports as a general practice won’t happen unless specific minimums are mandated, because it would impact competitiveness.
At the same time, under Title IX, if there is no girl’s team and a girl wants to play a sport she must be allowed to try out and must be allowed to play if she can pass try outs. The reverse is not required under current interpretations, leading to a weirdly discriminatory interpretation of a law banning discrimination.
Yeah, that will work out well. I cannot think of a sport that is played in school that would fair to the girls if all sports were mixed teams. By the time kids are 13-14 years old, the boys are starting to get to be bigger, taller, faster, and stronger. And the disparity only gets worse as they age.
And one of the driving tenants of sports IS to teach competitiveness.
Why should we be teaching competitiveness? That’s how you turn society into individuals who only look out for their own needs and are apathetic when you do things like a fascist coup. Oh wait…
Nah, I’d much rather be teaching kids cooperation.
(Sports are still great, but not for the reason of teaching competitiveness).
Competition is literally the basis of almost every sport. How would hockey, for example, be played without competition?
I’m saying we shouldn’t teach competitiveness as a value in and of itself. Competition in sports is fine.
I feel like that could be fixed by just doing a weight class so gender does not become the factor but overall strength and that also gives the opportunity for weaker boys to play sports and not get boxed out in boys only sports and stronger girls “like girls with PCOS” to not dominate girl Sports.
Or maybe it’s already fixed by larger schools having multiple teams, such as varsity, Jv, freshmen. Or different leagues, like rec leagues, town leagues. Or gym class sports which are never competitive.
But it’s ridiculous to think it fair if the high level teams are essentially all boys, and the girls are stuck on the crappy team with boys who can’t play. No one will be happy with that
The kids WILL turn everything into a competition no matter what you think you are doing to prevent that. Humans are naturally competitive. Like it or not.
The kids WILL turn everything into a competition
In my experience, it’s the parents that need to make every Little League Rec scrimmage into the final game of the world series.
The kids WILL turn everything into a competition
Are you the kids?
I used to be. And it’s been a longass time since I was. But I have raised 4 kids AND I have taught math in a school. Kids, and all humans for that matter are competitive. From skipping rope, to running, to racing lawnmowers, to bake offs, and gardening. Humans have an incredibly wide streak of competition.
No but he has been a kid, we all have. We are literally all experts in this field assuming you weren’t home schooled or avoided all extra curriculars.
My initial question wasn’t about individualistic viewpoints. The question is, are you an expert In knowing others intentions other than yourself?
In my school we had boys the same age who had a foot of height and 80 pounds of weight difference between them. There are better ways to divide competition other than gender.
Yep. I was 6’4" by the time I was a junior in school and I had a large physical advantage is sports. But size isn’t the only advantage either. Skills and co-ordination with team members matter more.
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed
At the middle school age range, girls are typically bigger and stronger than their male peers. Boys don’t catch up until 14-16, at which point they rapidly put on height and mass to exceed their girl peers.
And what about it? It’s been demonstrated within equality movements that statistical biological strength corresponding to sex does not always correspond to actual performance.
Mixed sports will allow a more inclusive learning style, which technically will allow a greater variety of skills to be develop and more opportunities for the future.
It’s been demonstrated within equality movements that statistical biological strength corresponding to sex does not always correspond to actual performance.
Depends heavily on the sport and the quality of coaching. Direct contact sports - football in particular - present real risks to the players when there’s a big disparity in size and strength.
But then there’s an argument that middle/high school contact sports shouldn’t be allowed to begin with, precisely because of the risk of injury.
big disparity in size and strength
So what you’re essentially saying is we should make decisions based on the individuals weight class rather than gender?
That would be the logical thing to do.
Although, even then no public school should be sponsoring full contact sports, full stop.
