Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo conceded New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary to Zohran Mamdani as the 33-year old member of the state Assembly had a significant lead in the race Tuesday night.

Cuomo’s concession came as the race’s outcome will be decided by a ranked choice count after neither Democrat got a clear majority in the vote.

Mamdani, a 33-year-old democratic socialist member of the state Assembly, started to pull ahead with more than an estimated 80% of ballots counted.

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    Good. The Democratic machine didn’t want this. It happened anyways. Maybe they will pull head from ass. (Doubtful)

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      The Democratic Machine whatever the fuck you think it is, is a magical machine of the gaps. When voters don’t show up, The Machine does whatever it wants. When voters vote, The Machine has to listen.

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        The voters voted DESPITE the democratic party

        The democratic party didn’t canvas those neighborhoods, the democratic party didn’t knock over a million doors, the democratic party didn’t win this election

        DEMOCRATIC SOCALISTS OF AMERICA WON THIS ELECTION

        And you should GET FUCKING USED TO IT. Your machine is broken and worthless, you just witnessed an actual campaign for the people, by the people, and look at the results. Fuck the DNC.

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          You just described what coalition politics actually is. When your candidate can gather support, or when a group of people can gather together and push a candidate, that group of people can do political activism, and elect their candidate. Do it enough time, and you get yourself a political force that can then communicate with other political forces to achieve their goals. The way US democracy operates, there can be only two viable coalitions, but the rest remains.
          Americans have this weird perverted view of the political process, they believe some kind of higher force should produce them a magical person that is favoured by all, and then they can benevolently think about maybe supporting them or not, and they got irrationally angry when political groups they aren’t parts of, don’t deliver them this magical person.
          Unfortunately, politics doesn’t work like that.

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            Thats how everyone who has been arguing with me about zohran kept acting when I would tell them that im organizing for a real change in the world. Like he should just be the candidate ordained by the party if he was actually good for people.

            Its nonsense, you have to organize and you have to have an actual political goal to strive towards. You go out and knock doors and have conversations and open people’s minds about what politics should be.

            Zohrans biggest opposition was peoples disillusionment with the two party system. They got out and voted because they rightfully saw zohran as an actual third choice, and liberals did whatever they could to convince us otherwise. They’re still doing it. Trying to say that this doesn’t change anything and nobody should expect this to have ripple effects. Tell them to shut up and put in the work. None of them are going to volunteer for someone like Cuomo, so they’re just going to sit online and tell leftists that we cant win because organizing massive popular movements won’t win elections outside NYC. It’s laughable.

            People are sick and tired of being told to stay home and do nothing but vote. They’re demanding change. They’re willing to go out and actually do something to make it happen. Weeks ago our streets were filled with people furious at the state of our country. Americans are ready to organize for a better system. Anyone who is opposed to building that movement might as well be a trump voting fascist like the rest of them. We will win, and we will keep winning.

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          You have a lot riding on a single election in one of the most democratic parts of the country. While I agree that Democratic Socialists did make a push here that could well set the tone of politics for the next 20 years on the left side of America, I’d hesitate to say it with certainty, given how crass American voters can be. Let’s let ZM actually get elected mayor, and let him prove he can get a DS platform passed in NYC before we crown him America’s saviour.

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            How uncharitable do you want me to be in my response to this? If you agree with my point about DSA winning this election in spite of the democratic party’s best efforts then everything else in your comment can be deleted

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            I agree with this perspective. In Colombia, 3 years ago, we elected the Most leftist president in our history (regretfully, I voted for him in second round.

            He turned to be a completely chaos. He made our country to retrocede 20 years. We experience more violence that many years ago. He helped our government to go broke. He didn’t deliver the “Change”, but made things worst

            You should be as demanding as you are with republicans

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      The people you are talking about about will never remove their cranial bowel obstructions, but their twisted forms can be removed from the Democratic party by voters.

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    As non american I just discovered Mamdani and he seems like a legit dude who cares and has the energy to match. Wishing luck to New York friends here!

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    I mean, yay, but…

    an estimated 80% of ballots counted.

    That’s just the first round, right? Does he not understand how RCV works? Unless his team already knows who everyone’s second and third choices are, it’s not remotely over yet. What am I missing?

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      Cuomo was projected to be ahead after the first round. The election was going to be a question of whether or not Mamdani’s certain gains in subsequent rounds would be enough to catch up. Mamdani being so far ahead after the first round meant Cuomo was done.

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      He must have had polling or results that showed he wasn’t picked high enough on enough ballots to win

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      He saw the writing on the wall and decided to make a strategic exit. A definitive defeat now would permanently end his career as a politician, but by conceding he leaves the door open to possible future efforts like a presidential bid.

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        A definitive defeat now would permanently end his career as a politician

        Based on the results reported that’s already in the bag. There’s no doubt he can’t govern with what his current support looks like.

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        He’s not going to avoid the definitive defeat, the votes are still going to be counter, he’s just not holding out to the bitter end refusing to recognize reality. That might help make the final tally a less interesting news story.

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      There were a lot of “Don’t rank cuomo” chants and fliers around the city. That’s not data, but I wouldn’t be surprised if few people had him as lower ranked choices.

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      A historically massive over performance of the polls and how the candidate (Lander) who is third on the first round is also a progressive

      Few polls had Zohran winning. Even the polling that had Zohran winning had him losing the first round vote by a fair amount and only flipping to win in the 7th round. No polling had him winning the 1st round. He’s just won the first round by like 7% of the vote. He’s not far from 50% of the vote outright on round one

      We won’t have the official results from the later ranked choice rounds until July 1st, but just ~60% of Lander’s #2 votes alone would push him above 50% even if all candidates below Lander went 100% Cuomo for #2. Lander cross endorsed Zohran and told his supporters to rank Zohran #2

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    So you don’t have to spend millions on a liberal Joe Rogan, or attack trans people, or support genocide to win a race in America? God damn, that’s incredible!

    I’m very happy to hear this news. Genuinely one of the best news I’ve heard all year round. Maybe there is a sliver of hope.

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      Yes you do. I hate to be a pessimist, but Trump and all he’s doing is a major contributor souring people about extremists and establishment. If Harris had won, I don’t think this would have been the outcome because people wouldn’t be nearly as riled up about politics, in general.

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        When rumpy won in 2016, after my initial shock I thought, well maybe he will make it so bad, we will collectively be forced to see the truth, forced to come together and actually have a positive change for the working people.

        I didnt know then, that I’d be fearing for the loss of democracy as a whole in 2025, but I think my initial thought still stands.

        Maybe this wouldn’t be the outcome if Harris won, but if the silver lining is people start paying attention, I’m happy for it.

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          Yeah, I certainly hope they do as well! It’s high time people started to give a fuck about what our elected leaders do.

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      I have seen articles saying that a Zohran win would force the Democratic Party to face change, and acknowledge the rising progressive movement. Let’s see if they accept the changes, or they fight against it. I suspect they’ll fight, but if other elections start moving left, they’ll be forced to change.

      The next big test will be the mid-term primaries. Hopefully, this win will encourage progressives to run, and hopefully they’ll win enough primary races to become a serious threat, especially against Establishment Dems.

      And I hope one of them is AOC primarying Chuck Schumer. That spineless, whining bitch has got to go. He holds a lot of the blame for the rise of MAGA.

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        Will it force the Democratic voters to finally show up to vote? That’s the main question.

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          My mid-20s son is energized for the first time. He’s been voting all along, but he’s been very unmotivated by his choices. This is the first time I’ve seen him excited to vote (for Zohran).

          We are finally seeing progressives, especially YOUNG progressives reaching their breaking point. They are justifiably pissed off at the establishment Democrats who are complicit in the rise and dominance of MAGA, and they are determined to make a change. They fully believe that their futures depend on it, and they now understand that they will get absolutely no help from the Establishment Dems. They know it’s up to them to sculpt their own future at the ballot box.

          Give them candidates that they can believe in, like Zohran, and Young Progressives will come out big.

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            Middle age progressives have been pissed off since 2009 or so, when Congress scraped the public option from the ACA. We won a few victories (yay marriage equality) but the ghouls can lie, like they lied about keeping roe. So they will keep winning until they are met with honest people willing to change the system.

            Socialism or lose.

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              Middle age progressives didn’t vote for Bernie twice. Is it because they’re actually small in numbers or is it because they are pissed but don’t channel this energy into anything? I let you to decide which is worse.

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                Small in number. Bernie came close both times, but 40% of the primary voters is like 2% of the population.

                I would remind you that Clinton was legit popular with dem primary voters. She nearly won vrs Barak Obama, historically charismatic candidate.

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            Give them

            Again with this passive shit. Nobody is supposed to give you anything, it’s politics, people present their worldview and gather votes of those who agree. Regressive democrats vote, progressive don’t, that’s why you are “given” candidates you generally see. If you want to see better candidates, vote for better candidates.
            It pisses me off for no end, you go to any lefty space, all that you see is perpetual “voting is pointless, don’t vote, I voted once 20 years ago and look what it brought us, you should firebomb wallmarts instead. By the way, why all the candidates that win are so bad, it’s like they don’t listen to us”.

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              For real. Imagine not turning out to vote and then being shocked that nobody goes out of their way to cater their platform to you.

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            yeah, middle aged progressive here. I can’t tell you how jazzed I am to see Cuomo take up his new job of Gently Used Airport Scarecrow. I really hope the establishment is seeing the writing on the wall.

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        I keep writing my reps about how much I approve of Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, and I’ll now mention Zohran too!

        I live in a blue state near NY. Im tired of the Dem party not backing actual progressive candidates.

        Let your reps know how much you approve of their messages! We need hope!

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      I don’t mean to blunt your enthusiasm, but this was just a primary election, so only registered Democrats were voting here. So a much different demographic than 51 separate Presidential elections. But still, it’s a sign that the voters in the city are fed up with the politics-as-usual the party is force-feeding them.

      There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans there, though, so this should give him the inside track for the job, especially if Cuomo backs down from his threat to run Independant. (I think he knows that if he did that, he will never win an endorsement from any other Democrat, ever, so that may give him pause.) Adams is running as an independant, but I think the city is done with him. Curtis Sliwa is the Republican nominee, but he hasn’t been relevant since the 80s and 90s, and is kind of a cartoon now.

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        You are way understating his odds at winning the general.

        Your implicit argument that so-called “centrist” Democrats are better at winning purple states because voters all exist along a simple left to right spectrum is absolutely wrong. The people in this country are fed up and they want revolution. Republicans offered it, and Democrats didn’t. The rightward lurch was just an artifact of people rationalizing their vote and conforming to the stereotype on offer.

        One big excuse the Democratic establishment gave was that the world is in an anti-incombancy mood. That’s a correct observation, but what is really happening is the death of neoliberalism everywhere. The one big outlier to the trend was Mexico where an aging male President successfully handed the reigns over to his protege, a younger woman. The difference is, they were progressives. Mexico is also arguably a more religiously conservative country than America.

        The wonky framing of the US electorate has been the standard Democratic perspective for decades. It’s what led to the income inequality we have now. It’s what led to Trump, and the complete routing of Democrats in both federal and state governments. For the love of God, wake up already.

        The Democrats don’t win because they aren’t real people, they are characters on TV that people are sick of. Neoliberalism drains the blood and passion that people want to see in leadership. Republicans have it, and Democrats don’t. It’s past time that changed.

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      You just have to ignore all polls and vote with your conscience. The polls were clearly bullshit imo. All the chatter completely ignoring everyone but Adams and Cuomo were bullshit.

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    FIRST ROUND KNOCKOUT! 🤛

    Incredible result for him and NY, and I hope this signs the death knell of Cuomo’s career. Step off, creeper.

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    I’m honestly surprised Mamdani is still alive in the US, given his name.

    It’s like hearing about a mayor in a town in Nazi Germany named Abram Mankowitz.

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      NYC is easily the most diverse and integrated major city in the country. That kind of rhetoric doesn’t apply to the majority of NYC.

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      Mamdani destroyed Cuomo in the first round of RCV, when it was expected to be much closer. This gives me a hesitant hope that nationally the voters want real change within the Democratic party. Let’s just hope this isn’t a fluke, and the technofascists have really awoken a huge progressive voting bloc.

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        Fingers crossed, but give us rank choice voting or I fear the progressive bloc will not be obvious

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          That’s why there’s such fervent pushback against any RCV proposals across the country (from both sides of the duopoly). Many places have already outlawed it because they see it would actually affect real change, and they just can’t have a challenge to their financial streams and power.

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        The squad was born in the original Trump administration so it shouldn’t be that surprising to see a return of these kinds of progressive candidates.

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        Wtf happened to Adams? Sure, he was under criminal corruption indictments, then cozied up to Trump and got “pardoned” (charges dismissed). But then he was supposed to be on the Democratic primary ballot, his picture was even in the official voter guide from a month ago, but on election day his name wasn’t even in the list? Now he’s apparently running as independent incumbent instead? What a booger!

        EDIT: Both Cuomo and Adams are intending to run as independent in the general? WhyTF do we even have primaries then! If they are not going to play by their own rules of their special little club, let’s just extend Ranked Choice Voting to cover the general and scrap the primaries altogether!

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          centrists are still the wing of puma pac.

          And they had the temerity to say “no matter who” for three fucking election cycles.

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          WhyTF do we even have primaries then!

          So progressives don’t get any ideas. As I said elsewhere in the thread: I better not hear another liberal saying we can’t split the vote again.

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              They’re talking about the general election, which is FPTP, and losing primary moderates refusing the result and trying again in the general.

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              The NYC general is FPTP, and Cuomo is running anyway despite having lost the primary. Neither me nor the other person are criticizing anyone for running in the primary.

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              Do you actually understand the voting process you’re commenting on?

              EDIT: I’ll take that as saying the same thing as the others above me as a “No, I don’t get what I’m commenting on, everyone is wrong but me.”

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            I assume you mean in reference to the general last year? I raged against the way the left brought disaster upon the Palestinians despite their best intentions. This outcome, however, is exactly what I argued the left should be doing: fight FOR the left in primaries, vote AGAINST fascists in the general. You are damn close to sham elections as it is, giving the facisits any opportunity to shut down democracy is self defeating.

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              fight FOR the left in primaries, vote AGAINST fascists in the general

              That’s how it should have worked, except that in the 2024 Democratic Presidential primary, when Biden was the only name on the ballot, we were STILL told to vote for him and only him or we’d be supporting Trump. In the primary! Voters in Michigan tried to campaign for “uncommitted” option in protest of the ongoing genocide in Gaza and how the administration was ignoring it, and they were crucified by establishment Democrats. Even Bernie Sanders distanced himself from the protest vote, saying to vote Biden no matter what. In the primaries!

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                The way Democrats run primaries is shameful, no denying it. But the only way to change the dems is to get actively involved, push for RCV, start grass roots, and, yes, vote for the good guy in the primary.

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              I assume you mean in reference to the general last year?

              That’s the most recent example, yes, but you get this spiel whenever you suggest going against the party in anything beyond local elections.

              I raged against the way the left brought disaster upon the Palestinians despite their best intentions.

              Where are you getting the idea that it was the left that let Trump win? Democrat non-voters were for the most part moderates.

              fight FOR the left in primaries, vote AGAINST fascists in the general.

              The whole point of this mantra is to not split the anti-fascist vote. And what are the Democrats doing now after not getting their way? Ignore the primary and split the anti-fascist vote. The whole point of not splitting the vote is defeated when the liberals then decide to split the vote. I’m also very much not convinced that a vote for Democrats is a vote against fascism given that they just voted not to impeach Trump.

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                Where are you getting the idea that it was the left that let Trump win? Democrat non-voters were for the most part moderates.

                no centrist has ever cared. they don’t want to move to the left under any circumstances, so they blame the left every time their unpopular policies, refusal to represent anyone but themselves, cowardice, and complicity lose them elections.

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            Don’t understand why it wasn’t done this way in the first place. RCV was approved as a New York City Charter amendment by a voter initiative in 2019, but only applies to primary city elections, not general. You’d think procedurally it would be easier to justify altering the general election process that the Constitution actually applies to, rather than what is technically internal business of independent private organizations (the Democratic and the Republican parties).

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              I don’t realize it wouldn’t be in the main election. If so, then Cuomo better not run… Maybe they do it like this as a stepping stone. Get everybody used to the process in the primaries before rolling it out to the main.

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          WhyTF do we even have primaries then! If they are not going to play by their own rules of their special little club, let’s just extend Ranked Choice Voting to cover the general and scrap the primaries altogether!

          Because the US doesn’t really have a true democracy. It’s always going to be weighted against the actual interests of the people. The more success candidates the Zohran have, the more the established politicians will stack the deck against them. The good thing is that the more the game is rigged the more obvious it all becomes.

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          The article says Adams is running as an independent, and that Cuomo has the option and is looking into it! It’s not decided.

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            He’s probably trying to save face; he’s on record in May saying he’s running no matter the result of the primary.