I’m not defending the AI bros but…Art has nothing to do with effort in the slightest. Effort isn’t part of the equation when discussing the quality of art, it’s more of a footnote.
When it comes to the shit that AI is ripping off I’d argue there is an immense level of effort. There is some art that isn’t effort intensive, sure, that’s not what AI is invading the space of, though.
I’ve created things that got me a lot of praise that were stupid easy. I’ve also worked my ass off and produced dog shit. Never know!
The thing is people who generate images likely never would do “real art” by hand anyway. They are two different categories of people doing completely different things. They can both do their own thing, it’s not as big of a deal as many of you make it out to be.
Except you’re forgetting that those people who don’t have to skills would have then hired another human-being to draw for them.
I have never in my decades of life hired someone to draw something for me. If I didn’t have AI to create an image of T-Rex riding a bike I would go without a picture if a T-Rex riding a bike.
Sorry for all the hard working T-Rex Bike Painters.
You are under the impression that the majority of the population uses image generation for profit. No. Anecdotically, it seems like the average population in my experience is sort of fond of image generation and I think the vast, vast majority of it is done by people who just want to make an image for themselves personally, and no they would have never paid anyone
You’re under the impression that ai gen is going to stay free forever.
I am absolutely not under that impression, I don’t even think of gen AI as free currently, except for free as in open source for the best llms.
Please don’t assume and place words into my mouth.
Except that they’re not making an image for themselves, now, are they?
When I first learned about generative AI, I thought it was really cool. I used it to make portraits for NPCs in my D&D games, and it was tons better than what I could make myself (lacking training and practice)
Then I learned about the millions of giants whose shoulders GenAI treads on without permission, credit, or compensation. Never used it since
IMHO, creativity is also not about coming up with an idea, but the implementation of it. Drawing isn’t about the initial idea, but how the end result looks, which could take a lot of time. GenAI shortcuts the idea to the implementation, that’s also why they look awful.
It’s one of the oldest misconceptions in the realm of human interaction. People think it’s the idea that is hard in art, not the execution. People that unironically stupid thus cannot possibly understand that typing “five-boobed anime girl with big cock, huge boobs” is NOT CREATIVITY. It’s just a brain fart.
I mean, isn’t making stuff easily kind of the whole point? I doubt AI bros suck OpenAI cock due to their passion for the arts.
True that
Can’t say I agree with glorifying toxicity as the basis of what makes art or artists “better.” I also don’t agree with the implication of promoting ideas that other’s self expression (or your own) is inferior because of less technical understanding or execution. Art is simply the genuine desire to create and express yourself, and that should always be innately positive and rewarding. That doesn’t mean you won’t learn new things as you keep going, but I will tell you that I am far more interested in the emotion than any final result. I remember my stories and why I chose to create, and hold my past expressions with the same appreciation that I do for my current artwork. I am simply happy that I chose to create, and feel the same way when others do too.
Honestly I tend to value the people with lower experience more, because I know they are choosing to open up and share their stories even when it’s clear they don’t do so frequently or comfortably yet. Everyone should feel like they can participate and be who they are without being shredded alive for technical performance. It was daunting to get over my anxieties and share anything a long time ago, and if I was met with such vitriol then, there is absolutely no chance I would’ve continued to express myself and gain more self confidence as a person and an artist. I would’ve simply accepted that I was inferior. Why would we want to promote that culture, to crush the vulnerable?
Critique should not involve ripping pieces of work, that’s super out of pocket. I’d be devastated if something I was happy with got ripped. It doesn’t even make sense to rip a critiqued piece. How can you do post analysis if its destroyed
Cue that video where an aitechbrodude said that people don’t like creating… (music in that case, but still).
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Improve? Impress? Upvote? iMovie?
The problem with fast food bros is -not- that they can’t cook, it’s that they want it EASY.
The problem with social media bros is -not- that they can’t write letters, it’s that they want it EASY.
The problem with clothes buying bros is -not- that they can’t weave or sew, it’s that they want it EASY.
Nobody who buys a Big Mac tries to pass it off as them being a chef.
Nobody who posts on social media tries to pass it off as them being published writers.
Nobody who buys clothes tries to pass it off as them being seamstresses.
AI bros call themselves “artists” for doing the functional equivalent of going to Rotten Ronnies and ordering a Big Mac and asking for no pickle.
Ok, I get that you object to people who use AI to make images calling the images “art” and calling themselves “artists”. But I hope you understand that language evolves with use, and that you wouldn’t have the same objection to expanding the traditional meaning of “women” to include trans women.
Oh FUCK YOU for trying to tie your LLMbecile wankery to human rights!
Just fuck the fuck right the fuck off.
Throwing a tantrum doesn’t address the issue I raised. Nobody ever wants to question the perfection of their righteous arguments, but there it is.
You don’t need an uncritical belief in the Labour Theory of Value to think that human labour has a special value and dignity to it. The people who want AI to replace many kinds of intellectual labour just don’t believe that there’s a value to human labour, and I do think this is fundamentally an antihuman, misanthropic way of looking at the world.
Sure. okay. I’m more in the camp of “why does AI do things that humans should do?”
Why does AI draw or make music or write poems but I have to sort everything out myself and still go to work.
Why can’t AI do things that make this world a job prison ?
Even then I don’t trust the oligarchs using AI for our benefit. Even if AI could do menial work it would be used against us.
It’s a coin toss as to who’s more douchey. The person who thinks the output of their prompt is a reflection of their own creativity, or the cartoonishly pretentious “artist” who wants to lecture you about their blood, sweat, and tears.
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isare*AI bros would never be able to handle the downvotes from correcting spelling and grammar errors—only us enthisiasts are passionate enough!
I’m not mocking the post, as i am in aggreance. I’m merely attempting humor.
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People being brutal, people crying over critique isn’t “just how art goes”, and isn’t a universal experience. I would actually call it “abuse” instead.
It’s a good argument against trying to be a real artist, using AI sounds far less stressful
A tremendous amount of issues in the world stem from people not understanding what abuse is and passing it on to others as “the way it has to be.”
I started painting in my late 30s and love it, and get regular compliments and good natured critiques of my work. I have never cried about it, and if someone thought I needed to be torn down to improve, they would no longer be in my life. But I don’t hold any delusions that I’m making high art either.
People tend to have a really shitty grasp of context and nuance. People also do use AI becaue they want to skip the work and go straight to rewards. These all stem from the same issue: lack of care. We’ve been trained to see the world like rich people: devoid of empathy, compassion, and care. It takes time and energy to understand your situation and formulate a proper reaponse. Sometimes art is a struggle and it takes time and energy to overcome your limits or figure out what it is you actually want from the work. Properly offering good critique requires empathy, and it requires the time and energy to dedicate to the critique.
It’s easy to cruelly criticize. It’s easy to throw out slop. It’s easy to just let the machine do it.
