As much as i am applied by the behavior and ideas of the Republican GOP… I am disappointed by the lack of any real effort to stop them from the Democrats
they seem to be afraid of offending them
Because they’re nothing more than controlled opposition.
I liked where we were heading with “weird”. We could’ve done better, but it was a step… maybe the only step.
Low isn’t required, but not being a giant pussy is, and, by extension, knowing the difference.
Everyone needs to do their part. That includes you and me. Dont wait for others to step up, show responsibility by leading by example.
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Why do you think the rich love making movies with that trope so much. Or the ones where revolutionaries always end up just as bad as the oppressor they overthrew.
Yeah. The MCU is probably the biggest offender. Luckily hardly anyone watches that garbage. There is this thing where people call the movies ‘woke’ but they are not. At least not beyond a surface level anyway (makes it easier to cut out all the gay stuff for violent dictatorships. Plus, most of the heroes belong to a wealthy/noble class while the others are either cops or soldiers.
I vaguely remember, compared to DC, Marvel has often been comparatively okay with killing, in part because of the scale of villains they go up against - secret armies of a new world order or space aliens, as opposed to thugs employed by a gangster.
That does quiet down when they go face to face with a human that wasn’t born with powers, though.
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Isn’t that the core ideology of Conservatism? The current lot are radicals though.
People assume the Democratic party don’t know what they are doing. They know precisely what they are doing by feigning they don’t know what they are doing.
The oligarchs really have both parties, and the country in its entirety as a result, by the balls. That is why it is crucial to realise to also protest against oligarchy alongside “No Kings” protest. Trump is only the front and fall guy, it is the oligarchs who are truly in power.
The oligarchs really have both parties,
I made this meme a while ago:
I am increasingly worried that the Democrat/Republican divide, or the US democracy in general, is mostly a “divide and conquer” scheme. It makes people believe they can choose their country’s path, but actually, both parties agree on essential questions of economics, such as that there are practically no taxes on the rich, that there’s weak social safety nets, and such.
The differences between the parties are only in the culture, or as i say, in the sexuality, which should be a private issue overall, and it makes for an excellent distraction from economic issues.
The only thing that politics actually should care about is the socio-economic situation, i.e. how much resources do people have to live.
The differences we should be focusing on are between the owners and the owned. The left/right bullshit is just to keep the plebs infighting.
No War but Class War
No Gods No Masters
“We need the conservatives to keep the conservatives in check!”
This country needs political literacy and situational understanding, there aren’t two parties.
Right, and they just assassinated one of their own. 🙄
No, that wasn’t a politician, that was a terrorist propagandized to extremism, and that is a very useful tool for them.
Absolutely fucking not! The Republican Party does not get to distance themselves from the assassin; they absolutely own the behavior they incited!
I don’t give a fuck if the guy held office or not; he was 100% representative of the Party.
What they meant is that, for the working class, both parties are effectively the same. They both represent the rich, albeit different subsections with slightly differing interests. Sometimes the rich assassinate the rich because some of the rich got in the way of other rich people. They have as much infighting as the left sometimes tbh. Regardless of that though they are both capitalist parties who primarily secure the interests of capitalists. They are the same in that neither of them give a shit about you other than what you can do for them. Which is to say, the illusion of political legitimacy and the wealth you create for them.
What they meant is that they’re totally fucking ignorant of the party, ideology, and policy positions of the politician who was assassinated. Get a goddamn clue!
Democrats are the party of false platitudes and endless slaughter with a happy face. Their policy is to tell everyone that things are okay while we suffer and die for their profits. I don’t give a shit about the individual politician. They serve the same purpose, and thats keep you stuck in the delusion that they serve you. You will not be handed any choices that matter.
The Democratic politician we’re talking about IS DEAD BECAUSE SHE ACTUALLY WALKED THE WALK. Go fuck yourself and quit slandering her!
I don’t give a shit about the individual politician
Don’t even know her name or what she stood for because it doesn’t matter. I wasn’t slandering her because I was barely even talking about her
Then you’re fucking illiterate because I was talking about her and you were replying to me. And that’s on top of being a hateful, lying, piece of shit.
You are not entitled to spread hate and disinformation. Go fuck every part of yourself with a rusty sickle.
“gRoW a sPiNe”
Nothing sounds weaker than tiptoeing around the phrase”grow some balls.”
I think “spine” has a connotation of morality, whereas “balls” is about pure daring.
But yeah more or less synonymous and you’re right that it’s definitely used as a euphemism for the stronger version. But also slightly different connotations depending on context, imho
All things being equal, “grow some balls” is a gendered statement. It implies you need “balls” to be strong or able to form coherent arguments or defend yourself.
I can see why someone would intentionally use an alternate phrase.
Dems don’t need to go low. They need to stop chasing conservative voters.
The reason they are so timid on everything is because the consultant class has convinced them that if they are just a bit more right wing, they’ll win the next election.
If Dems fired the consultants and chased the working class, they’d win big time. People hate the Dems because they are corporate captured.
Dems don’t need to go low.
Yeah, they just need to stop taking the high road. The regular road where people are called out held accountable for being terrible is fine, no need to go low.
They wouldn’t if we voted for progressives in the primaries. The 15% that shows up for congressional primaries are almost exclusively retirees. They always pick the most conservative Democrat. We should be voting twice every two years, not once every four, for national elections alone.
I agree. Everyone should be involved and informed on how to maximize the power of their vote wherever they live. Ideally, you get plugged in with someone like the DSA and vote their endorsements.
Sadly too many people fall for spoiler candidates which is part of the reason it’s so hard to unseat an incumbent.
They wouldn’t if we voted for progressives in the primaries.
…subject to availability.
stop chasing conservative voters. chased the working class,
Most of the working class is conservative. So…?
Which working class are you talking about? Because the working class I know are weed smoking, porn watching, beer drinking dudes who don’t want any of this Christofascist bullshit. It boils down to taxes and guns. Dems need to let these people have their guns and lower taxes for the bottom 50% of the country.
It boils down to taxes and guns. Dems need to let these people have their guns and lower taxes for the bottom 50% of the country.
Ironically, the Republicans are the ones raising their taxes. They’re just too gullible and propagandized to get it through their skulls.
The Dems already let them have their guns. The Dems already want to lower taxes on the working class. This isn’t new or news. So I can’t say I agree with your assessment of the important topics.
What might other important topics be?
It’s like the Biden economy thing. The truth doesn’t matter as much as the perception of what is true.
Make a big deal about dropping gun regulation as a platform and pass a federal bill that blocks do-nothing cosmetic regulations like bans on barrel shrouds, skeleton stocks, and pistol grips for longarms. It doesn’t matter that it won’t make any appreciable difference. The headline will be “Dems loosen gun regulation”.
Lowering taxes is a bit trickier. People have to feel it. The Child Tax Credit was factually effective, but can anyone name what they bought with that money? I still remember how I spent my Bush tax rebate. Cash in hand is what people understand. Figure out a way to send the average person a check for a couple hundred bucks every year (ideally 6 months from tax rebate season).
They should look to Canada and the GST rebates they hand out 4 times a year.
Rather ironic on a post about growing a spine dems are being told to just give up positions on guns and taxes.
It’s either that or many dems are ok with sitting back and acting helpless while they take their lobbying bribes and invest in the markets they regulate. Why change a system that personally benefits them so much?
Good ol America where your options are corporate captured, or corporate captured but with slurs and hate speech.
We get to choose between Coke and Pepsi, when what we really need is a nice clean glass of water.
They’re not even corporate captured, their policy stances are reverse Citizens United and Tax the Rich, they just have shit optics.
That’s their tepid messaging, not their platform or general direction of actual actions taken.
The faction that wants to do that is a minority even within the Democratic Party.
Even without the votes to make it happen without Republicans, the DNC has been introducing the ammendment constantly since the decision was first made.
If even 7 Republicans had crossed the isle it would have happened already.
The Democrats are the lesser of the two evils. They are more subtle about not really helping the lower-class and fixing the insane amount of poverty in the USA.
That subtle stuff has been bothering me. Like, I don’t agree with any policies from the Republicans but at least they just tell me to go fuck myself and dont pretend that they really do care
“Growing a spine” is contradictory to “going low”.
You are allowed to go low against those who do that against you, there’s no honourable fight if the rules are not agreed by both parties.
Yeah, that’s fair. I guess the hypothetical I had in my mind was if I’m at war and the enemy is torturing their POWs, I’m not going to start torturing mine because that would go against my morals. I was interpreting “going low” as abandoning my own values.
The democrats don’t mind offending people. Like minorities like Trans or Disabled people. They only walk on eggshells around conservatives for some reason.
So… We need to start calling Trump supporters slurs?
Jokes on you, I’ve been calling them retarded for years.
The Democrats are many many years overdue for a spine. But I still (perhaps naievely) want to believe that it’s possible to win without going low.
Maybe I’m just crazy and need my tinfoil hat adjusted, but a race to the bottom still fucks us all over.
Holding people accountable for their actions isn’t “going low”. Holding people accountable for the knock on effects of their actions isn’t “going low”. Holding people accountable for their own previous statements isn’t “going low”. Callong out blatant lies and misdirection isn’t “going low”. Actually enforcing laws equally against people privileged financially and/or politically isn’t “going low”. Calling out blatant corruption isn’t “going low”.
We don’t need the Democrats to start pushing candidates that are only following their own interests while wheeling out whatever their base wants to hear. We don’t need Democrats cutting backroom deals with businesses that screw over their constituents. We don’t need more toxic waste and diarrehia, just with blue food coloring.
I refuse to believe people actually want “Trump but saying leftist shit to appease people”.
it’s possible to win without going low
Oh my god wake the FUCK up.
There’s a massive space between the ineffective high road and the counterproductive low road that can be used to win. Calling out bullshit, reliably following through on a platform for the masses, holding people accountable all fall in between the two extremes.
Flipping to the opposite extreme isn’t the solution.
Hmmm perhaps but where is the financial incentive?
What do you consider “going low”?
If you mean the type of schoolyard insults Trump lobs out, I dislike that but that’s just optics. Mud-slinging is whatever.
When we’re talking going low in regards to truly matching the lowest of what Trump’s base is doing, they’re literally abducting citizens. Making deals with clear persistent enemies of the state as if they’re allies. Two politicians were just fucking assassinated.
I’m not personally prepared to accept full open warfare yet. Gun violence in the streets. Too much collateral.
If that’s truly necessary already, then we’re so far beyond discussions of what the Democrats should or shouldn’t do that this entire thread (including the OP picture) is just wasting time.
If things are that bad, people would need to get off their asses and start throwing literal blood and lives to the cause of overthrowing Trump. I’m still not convinced we’re there yet. If you disagree, either lead by example and get out there with your rifle, or say more to convince those of us not up to speed instead of attacking potential allies.
Start organizing a militia and get the fuck out of threads like this one that would give the intelligence agencies reasons to watch you and kill momentum before it starts, or work outreach and do more to convince people into the cause. To do anything else is irresponsible and self defeating.
It’s hard to stand for any principles when you’re bought and paid for by the very people who are currently riding their insanity bus with trump.
