• webpack@ani.socialEnglish
    437·
    6 个月前

    correlation is not causation, the reason why they have less murders is probably not Christianity (for example they have way stricter gun control)

    edit: after rereading the post I don’t think the other person is tryng to argue that Christianity is causing murder and whatnot, so ignore above paragraph

    also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs

      • andros_rex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 个月前

        The Moonies are so wacky that calling them “Christian” is a stretch. Definitely not aligned with the Nicene creed, and I think once the founder/prophet claims some sort of divinity it’s better to refer to as Christian derived.

    • huppakee@feddit.nlEnglish
      121·
      6 个月前

      This part of ‘what your bible says about murder and poor people’ makes it sound like the writer of the response believes it’s causational but i think they were just offended and not trying to make a scientifically sound argument. And i would understand that.

      It’s almost racist because of how the first post makes Christianity sound like something superior. As if the Japanese being different in their believe makes them less.

      also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs

      Exactly this. Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others where as Americans are by many people seen as loud and obnoxious (also positive things, but i’m not trying to make a comparison between two cultures as a whole), making this comment about Japanese adoption of Christianity not only come across as ignorant but also very arrogant.

      • themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        6·
        6 个月前

        Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Japan

        Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems: https://archive.ph/0IoIQ

        Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.

        wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

        Of course still not as bad as the US, but I don’t it is because of religion, it is more because of the two party system. Look at Singapore 18% Christians and they don’t have that many problems.

        In the end I believe most problems in all countries are because of human nature, not religion. Religion is just one of the excuses they use for the horrible things they commit.

        • huppakee@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems

          Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.

          I am aware, but the difference in people’s view of Japanese people and people from US is astounding.

          Agree with you and comment above, I don’t believe there is causation. Two system is surely not helping to make US peaceful.

          • themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3·
            6 个月前

            Yes the US need to get rid of the two party system. These years it is basically choosing who is less horrible than electing a good president. Both parties are corrupt. Japan also need to fix their laws they are vey misogynistic and racist, they also need to fix the work culture. No one in japan is having kids due their toxic work culture.

            Japan really knows how to do PR, they make people think they are great, when in reality for many people Japan is an awful place to live in. Tourist is fine, but living there is horrible from what I heard.

            From reddit on racism in japan, can’t confirm if it is true, but won’t be suprised it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1diaccv/_/

      • bus_factor@lemmy.worldEnglish
        28·
        6 个月前

        It’s more a statement of the state of Christianity in the United States, where in a lot of congregations the actual teachings of Jesus have taken a back seat to gun culture and right wing politics.

        She’s saying that the Japanese are better Christians than Americans, despite not even being Christians.

        • msprout@lemmy.worldEnglish
          81·
          6 个月前

          “Beat your swords into plowshares,” says Isaiah. Yet, here we are, with congregations of people who feel that “there’s nothing wrong with being a soldier.”

          God’s first commandment? Yeah apparently that doesn’t mean shit if the other party is a stinky brownskin. I do not see a legal addendum on the Ten Commandments.

          “1. Thou Shalt Not Kill ***†”

          ***† only in participating stores, offer good til Labor Day, see appendix for list of people it’s totally cool to kill

          • boydster@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            8·
            6 个月前

            I’m with you, but you’re talking about something like the 6th commandment depending on how you’re counting

            Edit: the first one is the “you shall have no other gods before me” bit, with the lines drawn for exactly where each commandment starts and stops drawn in different places for different factions, but I digress. I still agree with your point and I’ll stop typing more now.

            • somethingsnappy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              6 个月前

              So about the first commandment. The idiots have trump. I won’t talk about revelations, because how many hundreds of years nerd to go by to write “yawehs” word.

  • thespcicifcocean@lemmy.worldEnglish
    522·
    6 个月前

    I just woke up, but I don’t think the unit should be percentage per 100k people. Otherwise, I agree with the statement though.

  • k0e3@lemmy.caEnglish
    11·
    6 个月前

    Is there something wrong with her heart? Maybe she needs to go see a doc… oh, wait nvm. We’ll just pray the pain away for her.

  • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1691·
    6 个月前

    % per 100k? This person is making a valid point, but it’s undermined somewhat by the fact they’ve clearly fucked up something.

        • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          257·
          6 个月前

          Yeah, but those other stats are raw numbers. Okay, we have a higher number of unhoused people and food-insecure people, but we also have a higher number of people, period. If you wanna make a point, it has to be per capita. I like how the first stat got this right, but the others did not.

          • parody@lemmings.worldEnglish
            13·
            6 个月前

            Ya might be a good point but it’s a distracting mess

            Thankfully we already know a little bit about both of our situations so we get the gist

            • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              32·
              6 个月前

              You’re not wrong. I’m just saying, if you want to make that point, you should compare per capita.

      • binarytobis@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        6 个月前

        .2% per year? So we should expect about 10% of people to be murdered by 50?

        I was going to say .2% is better than I thought, but that’s pretty dire.

        • jj4211@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          6 个月前

          0.2 people, not percentage. That was what they were trying to straighten out because percent per 100k doesn’t make sense.

    • ryedaft@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      91·
      6 个月前

      Eh, the population difference is less than one order of magnitude and the difference in homelessness is two orders of magnitude.

      • hikaru755@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 个月前

        It’s not about that, it’s about “% per 100k” making no sense as a unit. It’s either just %, or an absolute number per 100k. Mixing both together like this makes it seem like you’ve clearly messed something up and don’t quite understand what you’re actually talking about.

          • Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            6 个月前

            As soon as you get to the “per 100” part you can stop. After that, it doesn’t matter if it’s per 100,000, per 8,759,016, or per 10.

            So the fact that they mixed up something so basic makes you question the number entirely. Their point is valid, but undermined by their lack of basic math skills.

  • don@lemmy.caEnglish
    182·
    6 个月前

    Admittedly, ignorance respects no particular faith. That said, Christianity does seem to have quite the stranglehold on it.

    • Karrion409@lemmy.worldEnglish
      82·
      6 个月前

      I don’t view christianity as a real religion tbh. Maybe way back when it was but nowadays it’s just a way for fragile suburbanites to justify their victim complex and bigotry.

      • don@lemmy.caEnglish
        4·
        6 个月前

        I would specify that the views and practices of modern religious have probably diverged to a very likely large extent from that of their founding predecessors, but I’d also imagine those same predecessors also used religion to justify their victim complexes and bigotries. The two groups, separated by many thousands of years, seem to have much the same underlying mentalities.

        • Karrion409@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 个月前

          Oh yeah 100%. I was just going in on Christianity specifically since that was what was mentioned.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      6 个月前

      That’s because you see more of them. Or at least what passes for christian in the US. Rest assured that the others are more than keeping pace.

    • bampop@lemmy.worldEnglish
      29·
      6 个月前

      Never mind that, what does “07% per 100K” even mean? As far as I can tell that evaluates to 0.0000007 or 7 per 10 million

          • DampCanary@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            6 个月前

            the f*ck are you talking about, it’s simple reduction
            I can’t belive there adults that can’t pass second grade math

            If you need I can draw it for you like you do it in kindergarten

            0.7% can be written as 0.7/100 or 7/1 000 and you can then do one of following:

            (0.7/100)100 000 = 0.7(100 000/100) = 700
            or
            (7/1 000)100 000 = 7(100 000/1 000) = 700

      • JargonWagon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        6 个月前

        Assuming it’s .07% and not 7% since the latter wouldn’t make sense with their post, that would make it 70 out of 100,000.

      • EldenLord@lemmy.worldEnglish
        131·
        6 个月前

        The “%” is unnecessary, yeah. I‘m guessing she meant “0.7 homicides per 100K citizens per Annum”

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      5 个月前

      Not even sure what year this is from cause the murder rate in Japan is .23% per 100,000 as of 2022.

      Interestingly the United States is at 5.7% per 100,000 as of 2023.

      Relevant Wikipedia article:

      ~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate~~

      And as of 2022 it looks like the Christian population of Japan has declined to around .96% of the total population.

      Edit: That Wikipedia article may have been written by ChatGPT cause the actual total number of homicides in all of Japan in 2022 was 853.

      NonWikipedia source:

      https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01860/

      • MoonMoon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        42·
        6 个月前

        As the other guy mentioned, 0.23% per 100,000 doesn’t make sense. That’s like saying 0.23 murders per 100 (cent) per 100,000. One of those per Xs is redundant.

        The Wikipedia page linked says Japan has a murder rate of 0.233 per 100,000 residents. If this made sense as a percent, it would mean a percentage of 0.000233%. But this statistic wouldnt work as a since a “percentage” implies a fraction of a whole, for example 50% of a population is born male.

        The original statistic under discussion says that there are “X number of murder cases per 100,000 people living in country”, rather than “Y% of the country’s population is murder victims”, which wouldn’t make sense anyway since the dead aren’t part of the population; i.e. you wouldn’t see a statistic like “20% of the population is dead” but rather “20% of the population died”, and “90% of the deaths were by murder” rather than “18% of the population is murder victims”.

        Thank you for attending my TED talk.

        Edit: formatting

        Edit: 0.233 murders per 100,000 residents (in 2022) = 126,146,099 (pop of Japan as per the 2020 census) x 0.233 ÷ 100,000 = 294 murders total. The wiki page says the actual count is 289, so the error is probably due the drop in population since the 2020 census.

          • MoonMoon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 个月前

            The same table on the Wiki page says that the actual count was 289 murders in 2022. Japan had a population of over 126 million in 2020. If we used your formula, that would mean there were over 289,000 murders in Japan between 2021 and 2022. See below:

            230 per 100,000 = 126,146,099 x 230 ÷ 100,000 = 290,136 murders total.

            Whereas, 0.233 per 100,000 = 126,146,099 x 0.233 ÷ 100,000 = 294 murders total.

            2+2=4, simple maths. But 290k murders per year would explain the population drop, lol.

            • buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              5 个月前

              It turns out that none of those number nor my own numbers are correct. I don’t know where these wikis got their info from but the actual total number of homicides in Japan for the year 2022 was 853. That’s for the whole country.

              There are multiple sources for that number but here is one:

              https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01860/

              Either road, they are doing far better than the United States.

          • phlegmy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            6 个月前

            But its not 230 murders per 100,000. It’s 289 murders total, for the entire population that year.
            0.233 out of 100,000 were murdered.
            That’s 0.000233% of 100,000 people.

  • FreakinSteve@lemmy.worldEnglish
    124·
    6 个月前

    Christianity is a vile, violent, and horribly divisive religion. Its also a pedophilia cult.

  • Jankatarch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    421·
    6 个月前

    To be fair there is also the suicide rate.

    Also what the fuck were they expecting, Japan to be some Christian paradise?

    • ryan@discuss.onlineEnglish
      26·
      6 个月前

      First time I’ve actually taken the time to look it up. People talk about Japans high suicide rate but apparently it’s not that much higher than the United States? So less murder, more food availability and just a slightly higher suicide rate?

    • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
      141·
      6 个月前

      Also what the fuck were they expecting, Japan to be some Christian paradise?

      Portugal has entered the chat

      • Meowing Thing@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        6 个月前

        Portugal would like to know Japan’s location. And keep it a secret from other countries for years.

    • JargonWagon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      6 个月前

      They probably just saw Silence and think it’s a result of the persecution of Christians back in the 1600s.

      To those prepared to reply with “but that’s not what it is”, I’m not saying it is.

    • Tryenjer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      6 个月前

      Hey, we at least tried to convert them, but nobody congratulates Portugal for that. 😔 😭

      • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 个月前

        If anyone’s interested in that time period, James Clavell’s excellent Shogun novel is set a few decades into the process. (Before the shogunate rose into power, banned Christianity and massacred tens of thousands of Christian converts 😐)

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    19·
    6 个月前

    Some people are shockingly stupid, even though I’ve spent my entire life finding out how stupid people can be.

    • Case@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      6 个月前

      I worked in retail for a decade, and have been in IT for past 12 years. Mostly help desk. Mostly medical.

      The advanced degrees these people have is astounding, but the lack of common sense is terrifying.

      Like, these people are cutting into other people to fix shit? They can’t tie their own shoes, and the concept of a power button on a computer is too much.

      This is the same person. Hopefully he has retired or died by now, cause those were his only real choices at that age.

      Seriously, his assistant tied his shoes for him. She probably had advanced degrees of her own. And she had to tie an old man’s shoes on the daily.

      Maybe there something to have such a laser focus like medicine specialties really does rob people of their common sense.

      Tie? Shoe? No, but that artery is about to retract or some shit.

        • Case@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 个月前

          From my experience, anyone that works with doctors despise them, so that road certainly goes both ways.

          Also, from my experience, they tend to love when you pick up the phone at 4am, remote into their machine, and just fix their problem so they can get back to work.

          Day shift people suck anyways.

      • unphazed@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        6 个月前

        Maybe he had back arthritis or similar conditions? If he was an old surgeon I’m sure 8+ hours a day bent over wasn’t kind to the core muscles and skeleton. As for intelligence, nobody is all knowing. Everyone has specialized knowledge, and few try to learn outside their interests. But yeah, learning basic pc skills is kinda important.

      • bunnyBoy@pawb.socialEnglish
        7·
        6 个月前

        I have the exact same experience. I explain health benefits to people for multiple different companies across the US. The number of airline pilots who see a ‘forgot username or password?’ button and just don’t know what that means, or type their username in the password field and vice versa, even though they’re clearly labeled, is insane.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        6 个月前

        Also in IT. Complained last week about a guy who is a lawyer who was befuddled by needing to reset his password for an online service. Dude! How can you not have this skill by now?!

        I was utterly forlorn. And a bit angry.