‘For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can’t come soon enough,’ the actor shared on X
my personal objection.
releasing the Epstein’s files will include people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
however, it would be very clear that those people are innocent, and they’re will be people in the files that were clearly diddling children.
Either the files should be released in full and the only consequence for people who casually met Epstein and never interacted with him will be some conspiracy nuts harassing them. or at worse censor the list for those names.
Also, just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.
people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
All it’ll do is make a list of probabilities.
If you were caught having sex with an intern, AND you were in Epstein’s book, it just has a higher chance. However, he’s more likely to go after someone who has been publicly caught.
The black book isn’t as interesting as the redacted information in the court papers. Sealed details about the official testimony are going to be far more damning than his little black book.
Also, there may be stuff like flight logs of personal accounts putting people in bad places.
“just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.”
Exactly, this focus on a “list” drives me crazy. If detectives investigating a murder don’t find a piece of paper with the victim’s name on it in the killer’s possession, they don’t throw their hands up and say, damn he got away with it.
Epstein’s entire business model revolved around having receipts on his clients, that’s how he stayed out of prison for decades, and it’s why they are covering it up now. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s a supressed criminal investigation.
the conspiracy is about who (we know who) and why (we know why) the criminal investigation is being suppressed.
Check the list for Rep. Frank Underwood.
“My computer recently crashed and I’ve lost all my friends’ email addresses.”
I think it’s more like Epstein specialized in girls
of all the people you’d think would be on the list
Bold gamble.
Crazy how Spacey’s career abruptly ended, even though he was acquitted and/or found not guilty. Yet Trump, who has lost his civil sexual assault cases, is the fucking president of the United States and no one will do anything about it.
You forgot about being a 34x convicted but not sentenced criminal.
He was sentenced, it’s just that his sentence was … nothing. Which of course is a totally appropriate penalty for a fucking felony.
*34 fucking felonies
yes, it is revealing how flexible the conservative soul is when it comes to corruption and perversion, while simultaneously being inflexible about things like compassion, charity and kindness.
fucking president of the United States
My pet theory here is that the RNC likes having a populist for election purposes and someone who is culpable that can be ejected if needed. In this case, culpability has to fall outside range of a self-pardon or any presidential immunity. I think the civil cases qualify for that, but I’m not sure.
Welcome to paid politics
Worth noting Spacey is currently on Epstein flight logs that have been released
Epstein’s private plane took President Bill Clinton, actor Kevin Spacey, and comedian Chris Tucker to Africa
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-traveled-with-bill-clinton-kevin-spacey-2019-7
There is a list here:
https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann/history.htm#epstein_list
That website looks terrible. And it labels jewish people directly?
That’s really fucking funny, if true. (black humor, dead baby funny)
You got a sauce on this?
The only true thing Trump has ever uttered was that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose support.
That is so not true. He also said “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
Fair enough! Two true things.
You know what though? I bet he was lying. I bet he doesn’t just start kissing them. I bet he does wait. That’s totally what TACO would do.
He didn’t do it? Oh good, I liked him in K-PAX
Not guilty isn’t the same thing as “didnt do it”
From Wikipedia:
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse,[10] including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son;[11][12] filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos;[13] Richard Dreyfuss’ son Harry;[14] and eight people who worked on House of Cards.[15] The Guardian was contacted by “a number of people” who alleged that Spacey “groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men” as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
A judge in Los Angeles this summer approved an arbitrator’s decision to order Spacey to pay $30.9 million to the makers of “House of Cards” for violating his contract by sexually harassing crew members.
Yeah he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser. As far as we know.
he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser.
Doubtful tbh
probably the severity, and the amount of people he targeted, plus anthony rapps “confession” about him being targeted by spacey. Also movies/shows dont want to be associated with a known pedophile too, so they wouldnt cast him anything anyways.
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Why though? Why is it assumed that people will boycott a show/movie if it has a known paedophile in it, while brands/political parties with a mass-sex-offender at the helm are just peachy?
Spacey would still be making movies now if he’d just preyed on vulnerable women instead.
Dustin Hoffman, Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Seacrest all have multiple SA allegations that they were able to play down and keep working, but those were all from women.
Most homophobia stems from the fear of male rape, so the usual meninist/MRA crowd who scrambled to defend “innocent until proven guilty” for Russell Brand (3 upcoming producer credits) are nowhere to be seen when it’s Spacey.
(for clarity, this is not a defense of Spacey, it’s an attack on hypocrisy)
Shane Gillis jokes about the only thing worse than Vikings are, gay Vikings.
Hahahahahahahaha gay Vikings he said!
It’s a joke about the hypocrisy of it. Not hating on someone being gay.
Much like how society gives celebrity abusers of women a free pass. How spacey has been cancelled (rightfully so), but Trump is president.
The joke points that out. But sure, take it literally.
That dude can suck the shit directly from my asshole.
😎
How can you mention these people and forget Jared Leto? He’s an actual cult leader.
I think if your whole brand is being a creepy weirdo, that sort of makes you immune to the consequences of being identified as one.
I’m always pointing this out
The only way I can lose is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.
– Edwin Edwards
Jesus Christ is that a real quote? It’s accurate AF. Like, uncomfortably accurate.
Yup.
No, no, very unwise.
Anything to ratchet up the pressure on that orange toddler is welcomed.
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Game recognizes game.
😭😭😭 he’s just salty
I know and agree with everyone’s anger toward Spacey. But, and hear me out here, if it means releasing the Epstein files, then so be it. Let the man speak. Once that’s done, he can go fuck right off again.
I’m sure his statement will be the thing that tips the scales.
hes probably just trying to downplay his pedophelia by saying “look at these other pedophiles that havnt be outed” he tried this many many times in the pandemic, trying to downplay his pedophelia.
Somehow I don’t think he’ll be the make-or-break that determines whether the files get released.
It’s a team effort.
He should know his place is on the bench then
He wants to be absolutely sure they forgot to add him to the list.
Unrelated but Voyager says I have you at +39. Just thought that was interesting.
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
He wasn’t though, except in the court of public opinion. He’s been acquitted or found not liable in all of the cases which have gone to trial.
That fits with his preference for the truth to come out.
But will Epstein make a difference here any more than winning court cases did to restore Spacey’s image?
Oh, I didn’t follow it closely but I was convinced he was convicted of sexual abuse. I guess it just speaks about the power of public opinion even if you don’t get formally convicted. For better or worse.
I didn’t know it either
he was convicted of sexual abuse
Only by the people who were nowhere near the court cases. E.g. at least half of the Internet.
And all the suspiciously dead accusers.
Unless there’s evidence connecting him to the deaths then yes just a coincidence
You mean one dead accuser?
The second one never did anything other than press runs.
The third one was a convicted stalker.
Or if he beat it in court
He’s not worried because Epstein didn’t traffic little boys.
We actually don’t know that. We just know for sure that he and Maxwell trafficked little girls for a whole bunch of famous and powerful people who killed him before he could talk.
I’m sure there’s a different operation that caters for men that like little boys run by someone else we don’t know about.
We need to ask lindsey graham if there is one. Even if he didn’t use the services, I bet he knows what it is.
Of course you can be convicted more than once for the same crime. If it happened to different victims in different occasions, you can.
Hey. Shut up. Again.
You’ll never unfuck shit.
So Lemmy which is it? Because Trump is a convicted rapist… Spacy was aquitted. Y’all can’t have both. Because if you still believe spacy did it then you have to by default doubt that Trump didn’t.
Unless you just believe whatever the hell you want to for the sake of convenience but then you guys would just be… Hypocrites.
They can both be shitty people.
O I’m sure they are. I have no great love for either of them.
Spacy was aquitted
Don’t his victims die before he can be charged?
The actual facts of the case are relevant I’m just pointing out hypocrisy in the comment section.
I have no great love for Trump nor for Kevin Spacey. I’m just saying you can’t be 100% convinced that Trump did it while being unconvinced of Kevin space is acquittal.
Either you trust the legal system or you don’t.
Therefore if you doubt Kevin spacey’s acquittal then you must also doubt Donald Trump’s conviction.
The logic here is flawed. For example:
I can trust that there is corruption in the court system for the rich and powerful. Therefore a trial for Trump that seems clearly biased and poorly handled may go in his favor. A trial for some actor may be biased as well, but less in his favor. Additionally if the evidence is strong for one trial and week for another, I’m taking that into account!
The logic is sound. The courts can convict someone as powerful and well connected as Trump, the current (unfortunately) president of the United States that should lend more Credence to spaces acquittal.
How does that not make sense?
Maybe a slightly different example will help understand the logic?
Let’s say NewsCorpA likes Trump and Spacey.
NewsCorpA publishes their usual stuff saying they’re both cool and good, but one day they post an article saying Trump did something bad. Because they have every reason to like Trump it seems more likely to me that the article has a genuine criticism (not to say their reasoning is good. E.g. He’s not racist enough), but that doesn’t have any bearing on the other, usual, articles about Spacey.
In other words it’s kinda the inverse of “if someone hates someone and says something nice about them, it’s probably genuine” so kinda “if someone likes someone and says something bad about them, it’s probably genuine”
Of course hypocrisy is almost always present when discussing politics.
I think the main problem here is false equivalence. Separate people, separate cases and in some cases separate legal systems.
I will concede to this there’s definitely false equivalency here you’re absolutely correct.
Kudos for admitting this reflection.
Incorrect, it’s entirely possible for two paedos to exist at once.
Agreed.
My comment is on the hypocrisy of the comment section under this post.
I’m simply pointing out you can’t have it both ways, you can’t trust the legal system to convict Trump who I sincerely believe committed those crimes. And then not trust it to acquit Kevin Spacey.
There has to be some kind of standard here right?
Either you distrust the legal system entirely or you take it at face value because it’s all we have in the United States.
But simply agreeing with something because it conveniently fits your narrative be it true or not is not a helpful position to be in.
Moreover Trump being one of the most powerful and Rich individuals in the world was convicted of rape in the United States Court and Kevin Spacey who’s just an actor was acquitted doesn’t that lend more Credence to Kevin spacey’s innocence?
Kevin spacey is the last person I’d call innocent, what with the distinct number of people that go against him get involved in mysterious fatal…accidents
And his ‘I’m back’ and ‘kill them with kindness’ videos
Its also a false dichotomy to say that a legal system such as America’s is going to treat trump and spacey the same way and ‘they can’t acquit one and convict the other when they both did the same crime’ They went up against VERY different courts under distinctly different circumstances (despite both of them diddling kids)
guy believes that being a pedo is like the brain cell for orange cats. only one pedo cell can exist at a time and all the pedos have to share it.
Conservatives are just genuinely fucking stupid, we need to let it stop surprising us.
I’m not a conservative first of all and I absolutely despise Trump as a human being and especially the president of the United States.
I’m just saying you can’t have both you can’t trust the legal system to convict Trump and then not trust it to aquitt Spacy.
It’s just double think, hypocrisy.
Because Trump is a convicted rapist… Spacy was aquitted.
Mostly incorrect. Trump is not a convicted rapist. He had been accused of rape and sexual assault numerous times, but has never faced trial. He was found civilly liable of raping Jean E. Carroll after the criminal statute of limitations expired.
Kevin Spacey was aquitted of legal charges in England and found not civilly liable in New York, but in Los Angeles he could not be charged because of the statute of limitations. In Nantucket, the prosecutor dropped the charges against Spacey after the main accuser refused to testify. In 2019, three Spacey accusers abruptly died, one of whom was in the middle of a civil trial against Spacey.
Ok. Great. Legal nuance aside Kevin Spacey was acquitted and Trump was convicted.
My comment was pointing out the hypocrisy in the comment section.
People absolutely trust that Trump is a rapist and absolutely disagree with the acquittal of Kevin Spacey. Which is a hypocritical stance concerning the courts. Either you believe the courts or you don’t.
Yeah, and my point is that’s a stupid fucking point. Sexual assault charges are notoriously difficult to get convictions on, even when they’re not against wealthy, powerful celebrities. 15 young men accused Spacey, and he was aquitted of assaulting less than half of them in the London trial. 25 women accused Trump, none of them even got a criminal trail, and only one of them was able to get a civil verdict in her favor. You’re comparing two men who were both accused by dozens of people of sexual assault and both faced almost no consequences under the justice system, and then saying, “tHeSe ArE tHe oPpOsItE, dOuBlE sTaNdArD mUcH???”
That’s the false dichotomy im talking about, while it is entirely possible for more than one pedo to exist, it is entirely possible for someone to not trust the courts and still for a court case they agree with to convict someone (a stopped clock is right twice a day kinda bullshit)
