Does that include the boat murders ?
President of peace everyone 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Leader of the free nation
With the actual winner cheering him on!
President of paedophilia.
FIFA peace price in shambles
FIFA, that bastion of integrity?
the same NYT that dint bother reporting the attack, because they recieved the info days before it from the trump administration. NYT AND POST are cupable as well.
Americans are terrorists and it’s people are cowards for allowing this to go on
And what would you do in our position? Stop acting like the average American citizen has any control over this.
The average American is a pile of uneducated garbage.
Im just an indigenous guy enjoying the downfall of your people
General strike.
I mean, you Americans love to compare yourselves with Rome, learn something from the Secessio Plebis.
Or better, take a hint from your own previous social movements.
General strikes don’t materialize out of nowhere and require significantly more organization and infrastructure than currently exists.
So then what you need to do is build …what… ? Take your thought to it’s logical conclusion.
Look, dear American people, there is no cavalry coming to save you. You have to do this. It’s your country. Build the infrastructure, build the organization.
Start small, build up: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI
I mean, at the VERY LEAST, you could do one of those cute marches during a week day… maybe start there
This is you right now!
The real problem here is that you painted your collective selves to a corner by apathy and inaction… now, pretty much any option left does require some sacrifice but God forbid you had to move a finger and crack a nail… better let other people keep dying so you can keep watching the game with a beer in hand
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lol like a man falling off a cliff, grasping at branches
And what will happen when the corrupt America decides not to pay because they know it will cripple them?
The bonds will become worthless pieces of paper and the USA will continue as it were.
Guess what? No one wins anything and the EU loses a ton of money for absolutely nothing.
Get your shit together you cowards.
Fat apathetic ignorant Americans are the true cowards.
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This is just such an incredibly stupid insulting thing to say.
Millions of Americans oppose this admin and are actively protesting and volunteering against it.
We can’t just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots
Yes you can. “Millions of Americans” sounds like an army.
An army with (at best) small arms. Against the US military, we may as well have sticks and stones.
Your American army got defeated by villagers with sticks and stones in Vietnam.
Yeah it definitely didn’t have anything to do with all the hardware and intel from Russia
Always someone else’s fault with you yanks. Never taking responsibility for your own failings.
“My” failing for a dumb war that ended over a decade before I existed. K.
Yeah you can’t cause you’re all talk, you’re idiots and cowards. The faster you guys become a third world shithole the better.
Your entire country is a disease.
Sincerely an indigenous person
Changing your Facebook profile picture doesn’t count. If you feel insulted, look around and think.
We can’t just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots
It’s Jan 6th. tomorrow, just saying.
Yeah, and how did that work out?
Worked out great for the traitors, they all got pardoned and got re-elected.
It seems to have worked well enough for them, since they’re the ones running the government now.
I also don’t think they’re going to leave peacefully ever. If you want them out, you might as well toss them out sooner than later.
You do realise there is another half of the country that opposes this right? Even if 55% of the country tries to throw trump out 45% will show up to stop him and that will be a very bloody conflict.
Better just to wait until mid terms and next election and vote him out.
Do you think they’ll accept a loss at the next election, or are they going to start a bloody conflict anyway?
Not sure. I think the right will but I also think if they dont then its the better time for a bloody conflict.
You’ll have a lot more people on your side after an election loss because trump is already unpopular and people will feel cheated out of democracy. Whereas if you start a conflict now your side will look like the ones trying to overthrow democracy since he was the legitimate winner.
You only get one shot at this kind of thing
It didn’t stop Biden’s inauguration, which was the stated goal.
If they can do it in other countries, why can’t you? Cowards
BTW democracy and law is dead in the USA, you are living in a delusion if you think otherwise.
So yes, you absolutely CAN and SHOULD remove a war criminal and a pedophile who is breaking all the national and international laws. WTF?
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Yes. And the good Americans are constantly working towards that, anywhere from really complicated micro step means like funding grassroots progressives to things like Massie and Khanna collaborating on legislation to nation wide protests.
This is an extremely complex and disturbing situation that requires mass demonstrations and complex beuarocratic machinations and acting like Greg from Atlanta not rolling up to Washington on a tractor with a shotgun is what’s letting it happen is fucking reductive, emotional, immature, unconstructive, childish, in-fighting causing, and just fucking stupid. As stupid as they nking democracy is dead in the USA.
go and fuck your hat. I’m a coward because I don’t want to stand up to the most powerful military in the world being damn near a senior citizen?
Yeah why aren’t me and you single handedly overthrowing this democratically elected government! We must be stupid or something
I love seeing foreigners asking Americans online why they don’t just stop this.
Like, motherfucker millions of us voted against this.
This is the result of multiple nations and multiple massive data analytics corps collaborating to create the biggest propaganda machine ever seen on earth which brainwashed millions of Americans.
But yeah. Why the fuck isnt Dave, the liberal from Vermont just walking to Washington and stopping this!!! /s
It’s not, though. Europeans in the fediverse have consistently made this argument since the election.
No. But the American logic has always been “we must do something” -> “this is something” -> “therefore we must do it”. Take the dumbest idea and run with it, or use it as an excuse for inaction.
This why you guys are considered the dumbest people on Earth
Excellent retort. Now go feel high and mighty.
You’ve really made a difference by insulting people who agree with you and are already using their means to fight against this admin
You are a true revolutionary.
Wish you could go back in time and tell all the Jews in Germany who didn’t vote for Hitler that they are stupid for not stopping him. That would be really constructive. You could really save us some trouble there.
You’re comparing the american people to the jews in 1940? The jews were a tiny minority and they had the state AND the public against them.
i’ve literally seen you ask this
You are a coward. Along with the millions who stayed home on voting day, letting this global nightmare happen. 2nd amendment you yanks love to waive around in everyone’s face, was made for this. Yet … crickets.
We expect you to do your best
Bro, they on your side.
No one expects you to go Rambo. They just want the majority of people to find their morals and do something.
As unlikely as that is dont get so worked up because some anon was provoking you to do exactly what you just did. Maybe tomorrow you wont take down your local police department but instead look at a homeless person and think, “this isnt right.”
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Your neighbor’s nephew once wore blue jeans, so he’s basically a war criminal.
I am, the others arent. Wait till the midterms are stolen. We will reach peak irony levels there and some more might be willing till talk.
And what will happen when the corrupt America decides not to pay because they know it will cripple them?
The bonds will become worthless pieces of paper and the USA will continue as it were.
Guess what? No one wins anything and the EU loses a ton of money for absolutely nothing.
The EU leaders didn’t elect a pedophile convict to run your country. Get your shit together you cowards.
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says to do something
doesn’t say what that something is
Sounds like a you problem
Then keep that shit to yourself
Woo woo woo woo lemmy police are here.
I do contribute. Drive for a local charity a few hours a month. They need a truck, I got a truck.
I’m frustrated as fuck with the govt. right now. but, they voted it in and now we have to try to get through it. I hope it doesn’t end with bloodshed.
Thats it man, youre leagues above. Dont let the politics trigger you. Youre losing yourself to something you cant control.
Same goes for me.
Really just outs the commenter as having no fucking clue what they are talking about.
We are doing what we can. Constant record breaking protests. Progressives are winning by historic margins. These stupid fucking pretentious insulting comments do less than nothing.
People really just cannot fucking comprehend the breadth and intensity of the psy op propaganda that the Republicans have enacted (really since Nixon) but intensely starting with Trump.
Unprecedented targetting, unprecedented amounts of propaganda, and a collaboration with multiple foreign adversaries to assist. Trumps campaign was literally sending voter data to Russia so they can specifically target Americans with propaganda.
On top of OAN, Fox News, podcasts, and talk radio, we literally had Russia and china making thousands of full on fake websites posing as legit news spreading insane anti left bullshit. Social media was completely flooded with bots spreading misinformation leading up to all of Trump’s elections
America is the victim of the biggest and most advanced brainwashing campaign in the history of mankind and we all seem to be ignoring that fact when it is the single most important aspect of modern American and global politics.
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Pure cope.
You try changing people’s opinions when you can’t even agree on what is and what isn’t reality. I really don’t think you guys have any idea how broken half of this country is. We do. Because we have to deal with these people on a daily basis. Some of them are our family.
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Of course, you are just “following orders”.
And since you didn’t vote for that pedo rapist, it’s not your problem to deal with, right?
I unblocked you for a response, something I don’t usually waste my time on but this is so funny I had to point it out.
you have at least two alt accounts and are actively accusing and discrediting someone for the same thing. I think @ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip should at least know who they’re arguing with.
as if that wasn’t enough, you actually upvote all of your own comments with your alt accounts.
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it’s absurd, if you spent half that effort on being a normal human being nobody would be able to tell how pathetic you are.
anyway, good luck with whatever hate machine you’re building. if this is the best you can do you’re going to need it.
Don’t worry I’m never blocking you, I have you tagged and will forever keep downvoting. Special cunts like you deserve all the special attention.
Btw, if you had me blocked you wouldn’t have seen my reply. So you are not just a simple cunt either, you are a LYING cunt.
A pathetic, lying American cunt crybaby is what you are.
sounds like someone is mad they got caught 🤣
tag me however you want, won’t make your actions any less pathetic.
for the record, I wouldn’t have even seen it if you hadn’t downvote bombed all my comments, but you piqued my interest enough to investigate your account.
I found some pretty interesting stuff. did you know that it’s possible to see all the downvote bombing you’ve done? like seriously dude…do you not have a life? not only that, but it seems you actually wrote a script to go through and do it for you because these timestamps are almost simultaneous.
I’m impressed that you could know enough to script something out and still be ignorant enough to leave breadcrumbs behind. real amateur hour stuff.
that’s not the only interesting thing either. I can see your upvotes too. it’s pretty telling tbh.
sounds like someone is mad they got caught
Haha, based on your long rambling replies and constant edits I know which one of us is having a mental meltdown. It ain’t me brother.
You say you don’t care about votes, yet you spent an hour doing investigative work into my voting. 🤡
you actually wrote a script
No, just good old fashioned manual labour. It takes less than a second to click on multiple down arrows while scrolling through your history. Do you have those slow fat sausage fingers?
Btw I’m only using ONE alt account and I’m not hiding anything. You really think I would use the same name on both accounts? Well you probably do, since you’re an idiot.
I’m impressed
Thank you, it’s hard work with idiots like you. All tools must be employed.
But looking at your history, it seems you are very unpopular as it is anyway, so my couple of downvotes are just a drop in the sea of downvotes you are getting from everyone else. Looks like I didn’t need to waste my time after all.
Us citizens are the perpetrators of these global crimes. Your government acts in all your names
Wow, thats a bit of a crash out.
Makes a post like this and calls other people pathetic is a pretty legendary crash out.
Careful with that edge, GreenCrybaby23.
The victim is the world and the murder-rapist is the us. We do think its fucked up you all live in the same house but there comes a point when maybe “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos” does not work when you are all buying the clown makeup for John Wayne Gacy.
What a child.
“But they’re celebrating.”
Yeah, if a foreign nation did a military operation and abducted Trump to face a trial for his crimes Americans would be in the streets celebrating.
But the celebration is going to be short when they realize their futures are now dictated by a felon rapist pedophile who’s crashing his own nation’s economy and violating his own citizen’s rights.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
The amount of people who voted republican completely obliterates the tiny fraction of people who abstained from voting democrat. How about directing focus where it’s relevant?
yeah but then how could libs feel smugly superior?
they’d rather blame the tiny fraction of people with principles rather than the third of the country that is actively fascist, because politically, they’re closer to the fascists
I’d hardly take criticism from so called leftists regarding smugness.
Blaming “liberals” for not voting on “principle” (re: ego) while they sit on their asses telling everyone else to form an armed rebellion instead certainly aren’t smug bastards themselves.
Because they are the ones that knew but chose to play some bullshit game instead of putting their shit aside for the reality they knew was there but just made them feel uncomfortable.
Its actually way worse in that way then the republicans who are nearly impossible to blame as they were and some still are totally convinced a fantasy reality was actually there at that time and can’t be held as accountable by blaming as much as they see it as a personal attack and it vindicates them if not put in language they understand.
Tell the republicans to fuck themselves and it helps to remind them they’re supporting a pedo and a warmongerer. Hold them accountable with specifics actions he’s done against them and why its bad. Not a general you shouldn’t have voted for him because fantasyland reasoning
You have to do their thinking for them entirely I’m learning, its like drugs, theyre addicted to people thinking for them, have to get them a healthy alternative to get them weaned so they can fend for themselves afterwards but not before that happens
play some bullshit game
Oh I know this one, its the two party system pretending to be a democracy right?
But I am things are bad because the wrong team is in power, and if they turn out to be great it is all due to the brave right team. But hey good thing you are there to “do their thinking for them entirely”!
Jesus your contextual reading needs work
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
You need therapy and a fucking wake up call. This is reality not some ideological victimhood posturing contest. The two party system controlled by the media and the monetary powers that be run this shitshow (along with Russian gov misinformation campaigning and other fucking useful idiots)
So spelled out. It was not a good time to take that fight and were all getting fucked up now because you fucked up your turn.
Figure if they come for you, your family or a loved one and send them to some hellhole that might that might help you understand that. But have fun winning your “The world has to work how I want it before I participate” award. Wasn’t worth it IMO.
Learn to play the actual game or get fucked by those that already do. Good fucking luck next turn. Do not fuck up this one
You need therapy
What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Well, I’ve been voting “blue no matter who” for damn near 30 years now, and shit has not changed for the better. Society has changed for the better in some ways, but that is not being represented in our government.
I’m starting to think my vote for Nader was the sanest thing I’ve ever done in my civic life.
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
And you see no issues with this statement? You need the wake up call, you live in a hellscape that is actively making the world worse and just assume I do too. You and your american exceptionalism can go to hell. The best time to fight was before and the next best time is now.
Please do the world a favor and ether fix your shit nation or collapse already.
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The amount of people who sat home on voting day outweighs both republican and democrat voters. Apathy won the last presidential election, just like every election in recent memory.
Apathy is a tool of capital. If apathy is the reason, capitalism is the cause
While true, a Pew study found that “if all Americans eligible to vote in 2024 had cast ballots, the overall margin in the popular vote likely would not have been much different”.
So, anyone continuing the “nonvoters did this” line can fuck off.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect
Also true, but much more easily said than done.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect
Which is exactly the job of the Democrat Party leaders, which is done via amongst other things offering potential voters the things they desire and assuaging their concerns, things which are clearly not “Unwavering support of Israel and its Genocide”, “Do whatever is good for Finance and Tech-bros” or “Supporting the Cheney family, legacy and political ideology”.
The people with by far the most power to convince leftwing leaning non-voters to vote for the Democrat Party were the Democrat Party leaders and they, with all that power they had, actually did the very opposite of trying to cater to the desires and concerns of such non-voters.
Yet around here whenever american politics pops up as a subject we get a rabid pack of mindless useful idiots blaming non-voters literally for not convincing themselves to vote for a party whose leaders activelly tried to reject them, never blaming those fucking leaders for activelly rejecting said potential voters.
Fuck the subservient, bootlicking Democrat Party tribalists who keep on excusing the profound incompetence and greed of their tribe’s “chiefs” and parroting the DNC propaganda line that pushes the blame to non-voters rather than accept that the blame for a fucking monster like Trump having been elected a second time is overwhelmingly of the DNC and the rest of the Democrat Party leadership who once again chose to “stay pretty close but just below” in the Evil scales from the Republicans
Maybe it’s not so obvious for those living inside America and its Politics, but from the outside it’s obvious that both of Trump’s presidential election victories are the end product of decades of the Democrat Party leadership getting away with representing ever fewer people whilst relying on a “vote lesser evil” strategy, all of which supported by the very same useful idiots who now, once again, come out relentlessly parroting the “everybody but ourselves is to blame” mindless bullshit that only an acephalic tribalist muppet would believe.
It is fucking obvious for anybody who knows just a bit of World History that Trump or somebody like him was bound to be elected sooner or later in the US when the strategy of the competing political force there was nothing more than invariably sidding with the handful of moneyed elites just limited by the need to stay just one step below in the Ladder of Evil from the other political force.
So enjoy the Fall Of The Empire you created for yourselves (by supporting a “Greater Evil” vs “Lesser evil” political power structure) and for the other 340 million people over there, whilst the rest of us batters the hatches and endures the side effects of the “Empire overextending itself militarily whilst the homeland becomes ever empoverished and authoritarian” phase of such Fall until America fizzles in power (if you’re lucky) or breaks up.
Bologna. There are not enough conservative voters in virtually any nation to win in an election that progressive voters actually turn out to. Conservatives only win when progressives don’t vote; conservatives NEVER don’t vote.
“tiny fraction of people” millions of registered D voters sat it out
The DNC knew that Harris campaign pursuing Republican votes would cost her the election. She knew it, too, she’s not dumb.
Independents outnumber Ds and Rs; if you ignore your own Democrats and ignore Independents and pursue Republican votes, you will lose every time.
The math requires you to keep your own voters AND acquire Independent votes. There’s no way around it, not enough Ds exist, even if all had voted you still need I votes.
This is why Democratic campaigns are otherwise always focused on D and I votes.
Why did they ignore the fundamentals? You decide… but recall that she raised over a billion dollars in a few months, whilst Trump raised only 900 million in four years.
I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
They totally care
Knowledge is power.
But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to
make it close.— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine
That argument works when the difference is small.
That argument doesn’t work when one option is a cataclysmic disaster
But most importantly - when you look at what policies that Trump voters said they voted for, you could divide that into a fraction of voters voting for evil (plain stupid racists), and a large fraction voting for something positive which they had been told Trump would deliver - yet which he was objectively worse at. Most people voted Trump for the economy while told he was a great businessman, or for healthcare while told he’d make health insurance more affordable (but now he made it less), etc…
Almost every positive impact in the last decades that his voters attributed to him was delivered by his opposition.
This wasn’t an election lost to attrition. Your quote explains nothing about what happened.
There was more votes than ever. It was lost to propaganda and people being idiots, not seeing through the fraud. Trump’s policies lost every poll when names were taken off. Everything he wanted to do kept being rejected. But the propaganda machine made people distrust the people who delivered all the things they said they were grateful for, and to trust the liar instead.
Implying that a Harris/second Biden administration wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster
Implying that any outcome where AmeriKKKa continues to exist and destroy our world wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster
If you can not understand a difference in scale then your school years was a cataclysmic disaster
Maybe they went to an Arkansas school, or any other american one that teaches people to only support the terrible system.
But hey! You voted right so you can be smug and its only fair you get to point your impotent rage at those who did not vote the way you did. And next time when the two parties are both somehow worse you can once again vote for the lesser evil!
Republican voters voted for this. Non-voters didn’t vote, hence the name. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. Even if there wasn’t a single non-voter, nothing would’ve changed. Try directing your douchebag attitude towards those who are actually responsible.
In our first past the post system with only 2 parties, the non-voters did vote for this.
Every non-voter was fine with this outcome because they couldn’t sack up and make the less bad choice. If you see a car coming towards a child in the road and do nothing you are still partly responsible if they get hit. They allowed it to happen through their inaction.
Non voters voted for this by virtue of being too stupid to know how our system works. They deserve responsibility.
Bro just wants someone to blame to avoid facing responsibility.
Responsibility for someone else’s vote?
All the people making excuses for why their vote clearly didn’t matter so they were better off not voting obviously aren’t making excuses themselves. That would be silly!
Republicans by and large know what they voted for. Protest-non-voters need to be informed what they in fact voted for, as you demonstrate.
Ah yes see you’re looking to assign responsiblity. Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
I agree that saying “non-voters voted for” anything is basically absurd, but people sitting on the couch rather than voting did affect the outcome of the 2024 election. A bit over three million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020.
Yes, the second and first most voted elections in your nations history. Clearly it is the small number of voters that are not supportive of the only two options at fault.
Managed democracy is meant to be a joke, but the real joke is the attitude on display from americans that somehow still think they live in a democracy.
There’s been polling analysis that showed if you forced everyone to vote then Harris would have lost to Trump by an even bigger margin due to the unpopularity of the administration at the time. Nonvoters didn’t make a difference. Michigan was won by Trump by a bigger margin than all college students or Arabs or Muslims or any other minority group in the state.
I think you’re trying to assign blame. Again, I am informing non-protest-voters what they voted for.
That’s not what they voted for.
It’s a weird world where you blame the public for not voting for a flawed candidate rather than the candidate for not being flawed. It’s like blaming an audience for not laughing at the comedian on stage.
Harris made a conscious choice to avoid pandering to certain constituencies (in hopes it would pay off by gaining conflicted Republican voters) and that gamble went wrong as people warned it would.
you blame
Funny that you are still coming back almost 2 weeks later, only to ignore what I said, and continue on.
And called it, you are trying assign blame. So again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Ciao.
The USA famously never invaded or bombed any country during Democrat administration /s
Obama bombed the shit out of people his entire term. Including an American citizen.
Kamala. Supported. The. Genocide.
Oh? Thank God she never got to be president
The other instead is the genocide
Yea? How’s that lookin currently?
We’re about to get more than one genocide thanks to people like them.
Oh shut up already, Gaza is totally saved because you didn’t fucking vote
Please note that Presidents are NOT elected by popular vote, this is all worthless posturing.
AmeriKKKa is uniparty on foreign policy. This exact outcome would have happened under a Harris administration, except they would have kept up the kayfabe, so I would have had to spend hours debating with shitlibs like you that this war is in fact just about oil.
If you wanna play “shame Olympics”, liberals should be fucking ashamed for losing to the fucking fascists twice, giving the keys of the kingdom to the fascist twice, doing fucking nothing with their political power every time they had it, and barely even pretending to offer a political program worth fighting for.
Ah gotta love the insults (and b b b b b b biden bad!). Ciao.
Of course Biden bad! Biden could have ended the Gaza genocide with a single fucking phone call! Are you a genocide supporter?!?
Trump, of course, being so much better.
Pragmatism beats principles every day of the week. The problem is it makes weak-willed people scared.
Yes, pragmatically speaking, voting for Biden does absolutely fucking nothing to alleviate any of the problems faced by the working class. It doesn’t affect the onward progression of capitalism, it doesn’t stop the racists from controlling the government, doesn’t stop the cops from murdering black people, doesn’t stop the erasure of LGBTQIA lives, doesn’t do anything.
The pragmatic options are to first stabilize your own situation, and then organize popular resistance and do direct actions if you have the bandwidth.
It’s amazing they’re only upset about insults after starting off with them
America is the modern European empire, just moved over. Europe is a vassal state of America, btw.
Acting surprised after seeing the unlimited support by USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, UAE, India, China, Russia, Ukraine support for genociding the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank is funny to me.
Now we see Canadian and Mexican afraid to even call the US out because no one will come to rescue them if the US did the same. And they deserve it.
Nothing lower to me than killing children and babies, so my expectations are non existing for such government and people.
Still waiting for a Western news source to call the US administration terrorists.
If we manage to escape the trump dictatorship, every soldier involved needs to be court-martialed and sentenced for following illegal orders.
Sadly, we won’t.
This never happened in US history and I don’t think americans have the spine to do anything even remotely close to this.
FYI US soldiers involved in illegal orders in the USA are almost never court-martialed or even put on trial. The only one I can think of actually being convicted is the Mai Lai massacre way back in 1968. The US has become consistently more brazen in its flaunting of international law regarding war crimes and any policing of its armed forces through subsequent administrations since.
In fact its very rare for US troops or even military contractors brazenly ignoring orders and committing war crimes to even be put on trial, let alone be convicted. The most recent incident I can think of is the four Blackwater contractors during ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ that massacred 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians and injured 20 in Baghdad city. There was such overwhelming evidence in the case that they were convicted by a US court of murder (one member) and manslaughter (the other three) in 2014.
Even that was an unacceptable level of accountability for the Republicans, so Trump gave them all presidential pardons in his first term in 2020.
They don’t even prosecute foreign war criminals, much less their own. US Nuremberg trails had a <0.2% conviction rate for identified war criminals lol. Less than 1% of “major war criminals”.
Criminal cops are paid instead of convicted.
There is 0 hope for any justice at all for these people unless the entire US government gets overthrown or something just as drastic.
Cute. Won’t happen.
Nope. But it should.
And then we should get all the world leaders in a big room and tell them they’re being bad. Then they’ll all sing and hold hands and stop all wars. And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.
Y’know… Of all the ridiculously stupid improbable absurdity that’s happened…
… I’m kinda down for that one over whatever the frick we’re living through at the moment lol.
And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.
Your mom sounds cool. Call her and tell her she’s cool. ❤️
This made me laugh. This is the same shit we’ve been doing for 100 years. “Illegal orders” aren’t a thing when you use your imperial military to do imperialism. The last time we had a President that wasn’t a war criminal was never.
Harrison!
Even Harrison?
Yeah this is more like a return to the norm, just more blatant and overt. And even earlier than 100 years, before America was strong enough to reach out into the world and do this to other countries, it was manifest destiny against the indigenous. You won’t find a corner of this planet unmolested by American imperialism, and the hardest hit are still problems that persist to this day.
Whether it’s the Panama Canal, the Monroe doctrine, the Banana republics, or atrocities in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos. Intervening in civil wars and conflicts that would eventually create Taiwan and South Korea and Israel as American vassal states built with the purpose of serving American interests. Fomenting a coup in Iran over oil which would usher in the Iranian revolution, or smashing Iraq which created a power vacuum for isis to form. Wherever and whenever America reaches out into the world, death and destruction will typically follow. And if it isn’t leaving a shattered and broken state for whoever is left to pick up the pieces, then it’s funding and arming one side of a war to create a satellite state to enrich itself which leaves a conflict ready to reignite at any moment.
The USA has done this many times (captured or even murdered heads of state, and anyone else they wish to), there has never been a court martial and nobody has ever been punished.
If you know of any exceptions, please share.
You could march them in fucking shackles to the Hague and they would just handwave them away. Nobody is coming to fucking save us, and the sooner people wake the fuck up and realize that, the sooner we can start organizing valuable and competent community defense networks.
Fuck the USA.
Fuck off calling it an “operation”
It is 100% an act of war, it’s even a very obvious indisputable act of war. Yet we see European leaders refusing to call it so. 😡
Europe is America’s bitch. Europeans aren’t ready to accept it yet lol
They’re dogs and vassals of the empire. Of course they aren’t biting the hand that feeds.
A war crime and a terrorist operation.
Can’t really call it a war if the other side is barely fighting back. It’s just bullying and terrorism.
War crimes apply regardless whether a conflict is international or even whether it’s a declared war. The US never declared war in Vietnam, but nobody can deny the My Lai massacre was a war crime.
I doubt it’s just the Israelis who have compromision photos of top European politicians fucking little kids that they got using operations like Epstein’s.
Of course not Russia does too, what I was saying was that CIVILIZED countries don’t behave like that.
Yeah, well, look at Britain which had a massive demonstration of half a million people against the Genocide in Gaza and yet their supposedly “leftwing” “moderate” government is arresting people for “terrorism support” when they demonstrate against it.
The people ARE civilized, it’s their elites (political or otherwise) which are unreformed barbarians by comparison, especially in those countries were the structures of power mean such people have been an entrenched and unchallenged elite for generations.
So I would say that the countries are CIVILIZED, however they’re controlled by elites whose minset is still the same as the ancient monsters from the past (hence why, for example, British governments and Press have a mindset of colonialism towards the outside and “born to rule” towards their own citizens whilst German governments and Press support the Genocide of a “lesser people by a greater people” and both deploy authoritarian means to suppress dissent even tough they’re supposedly Democracies).
This is also why I expect plenty of members of those elites will have broken the ultimate tabu of our era - they have the same principles of the ruling elites of centuries past, feel themselves above the law and firmly believe everybody else are nothing more than tools for their own personal upsides - including pleasure - and for many that would include children.
PS: As I see it, the solution for the problems in Democracies is MORE Democracy (more transparency, more accountability, more independent oversight, more variety and change) but we’re going in the opposite direction and the actions of the ruling elites in the US and the support from the political elites in certain countries for that all matches with the moving away from Democracy towards Might Is Right and Authoritarianism
I 100% agree with that last part but:
The people ARE civilized,
Not really, if the British people were civilized they would have introduced democracy instead of the bullshit excuse they have for it now.
And they would have removed the house of lords which is an extremely undemocratic and moronic institution.In Danish Lord and lort are very close verbally, and lort means shit. So to me it’s the shit house.
But that’s not the only problem, first past the post is also undemocratic and is creating a system dominated by 2 parties that take turns governing, this is not democracy but at best a deeply dysfunctional democracy, and is as bad as USA only realistically having 2 options when they vote.
UK is so behind as a society, compared to other Western European countries, the only way they may appear good is by comparison to USA. UK inherited a strong economy from the early days of industrialization, and the colonies, without that UK would have been as poor and backwards as Ireland was prior to joining EU.however they’re controlled by elites
In UK that is way more the case than other European countries, because the population accept it. The continued existence of the house of lords is clear evidence of that.
But again ONLY because the population is accepting it. No other European country will have you arrested for peaceful demonstrations, and I agree it’s an atrocity that this continues under a labour government. And I agree it is a result of the people having lost power because democracy in UK isn’t working.
Yet the solution is only a few hundred kilometers away, with plenty examples of better democracies in Europe, IMO especially the Scandinavian model.First I mainly agree with you: I lived in Britain as in immigrant for a decade, which was preceded by a decade living in The Netherlands, and my opinion of Britons (especially the English, more so their upper middle class and above) is very negative by comparison with my opinion of the Dutch in general and my impression of British society by the time I left was basically “The country of Europe closest to Fascism, only it’s disguised with posh bollocks from posh people with a posh accent”.
However this shit the current government is doing there of arresting people demonstrating against the Genocide as “terrorist supporters” doesn’t have the support of most of the population. Further, 1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
It doesn’t prove that most people are quite that good people, but it still seems to me that most aren’t quite as bad as being deemed uncivilized.
As I see it, the point you’re making is really that pretty much the entirety of the non-elites there lack a spine, both as people and as a group - hence not doing much to overthrow the power structures of that country - which is not the same as not being civilized people, though as we can see both path lead to similar outcomes in situations like this one.
Frankly, I couldn’t agree more with that view! Countless experiences I’ve had over there speak of subservience towards the upper classes and even towards society in general (the level of concern with “what will other people think of me” there, especially amongst Middle Class women, is quite extreme when compared with, for example, the Dutch) and maybe explains why they’re so good at Theatre: a lot of people over there spend their lives behind a thick complex façade so it’s unsurprising when so many make a hobby and even a profession from it.
Further, they’re relentlessly indoctrinated with both Nationalism and Respect For Authority (in other words, for the elite dynasties) by the local Press, which is maybe why the Brits are actually the least trusting in the local Press of all of Europe.
However, lack of a spine - which in my opinion is mainly a learned trait from growing up in such a society - though not exactly positive in Psychological and Freedom terms, isn’t the same as being uncivilized.
1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
Yes there are some, but it’s a minority, you have to judge a country by the majority and their government. Because those are the ones representing the country.
There can be exceptions where the people are oppressed, with military force, but UK is NOT such a country.both as people and as a group
No individuals are individuals and have different traits, this is 100% as the group we call UK.
which is not the same as not being civilized people
I would argue that having something like the house of lords is an expression of being uncivilized as a country.
Again the people consist of individuals, but as a group of people we call UK they definitely have traits in their society that are immoral and to me immoral equals uncivilized.Now all countries can have elements that are immoral, the problem with UK is that it has elements that are deeply fundamental to their society, much like USA.
Yes, very Russian. It’s America’s own “special military operation”.
Or like when the Korean war was called a “Police Action”
I like Trumps term. He called it a strike.
Two more and he’s out, right?
I fear he is playing bowling, not baseball.
Americans are nothing less than violent murderers.
Every single yank has blood on their hands because they refuse to overthrow their government doing this
This is WW2 Germany, but this time it’s being played out by a narcissistic pedophile
They are all complicit in these crimes.
They are all cowards.
They are all afraid to act on on their 2nd Amendment
FUCK YOU AMERICA!!!
So, do you say the same about russians?
No, only about the people in the rich country. You know, the ones with no job security, free health care / education, no Internet privacy laws, shitty public transportation and expensive car notes, no social safety net except the ones boomers have, and 40+ hour work weeks tied to health care. Now just think of the felonies everyone will have since protestors are labeled terrorists and so they will never be able to vote again or get a good job. God what a shit show.
Folks, the fight has to happen a different way. They didn’t win by force, and they will not lose by force either. There needs to be bot farms spreading positive news and facts. Use the same tactics maybe.
I’m sure y’all say that to North Koreans too. What a bunch of cowards for being powerless.
North Koreans are not obliterating their neighbours and the middle east. What a stupid comparison.
So if Kim Jong In also blew up neighbors, the slaves would then be responsible for stopping him?
Also, protestors are now labeled as terrorists, so if you protest now your employment is limited. It gets worse every day.
I’m appalled by the US leaders and protesting against this shit whenever I can, but using the WW2 example undermines your argument unless the logic is that all the German jews would have just fixed all that Hitler shit if they weren’t such cowards.
Thank you for volunteering to pay our bills while we overthrow our government!
Meh, not that great an argument. We really shouldn’t be paying bills to people who allow this system to keep chugging.
Better argument would be that we have our own domestic military to be afraid of (i.e. AmeriKKKan police).
And even in the face of both these arguments, I think it’s 1000% justified to be upset at USians because they barely even have to try to manufacture our consent anymore.
But they have work tomorrow. /s
You’re so passionate! I encourage you to come to the USA and lead the charge. Show us how it’s done! Your leadership will surely be a shining beacon for all, your wisdom remembered for the ages. We’ll erect a big statue of you and everything.
p.s. if Americans are violent murderers, so are every citizen of every country that aids the US military war machine in any way; if you sit at the table with Nazis you are a Nazi, etc. Chances are very good the USA arms YOUR country
Clearly the Orange Turd needs a peace prize.
I will donate the best thing on the Internet.
Did you forget what website you’re on?
“operation” doing some heavy lifting in this lede
